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idonojacs
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: What would happen in your home country if you ... |
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A) Sent your kid to school sick?
B) Sent your kid to school sick, day after day?
C) Told your sick kid to just sit in the front row in front of the teacher, wrap a blanket around your shoulders, put your head down and go to sleep?
D) Were a teacher and came to school sick, day after day?
What would happen in Korea if you:
A) Sent your kid to school sick?
B) Sent your kid to school sick, day after day?
C) Told your sick kid to just sit in the front row in front of the teacher, wrap a blanket around your shoulders, put your head down and go to sleep?
D) Were a teacher and came to school sick, day after day? |
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dutchy pink
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: |
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My mom did A and B for 12 straight years.
Every morning I would tell her I'm really sick and she would just shrug and send me off to school.
Sometimes I even told her at night that I wasn't feeling well and probably wouldn't be able to go to school tomorrow.
She didn't care. She was ruthless. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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These days:
In Ontario, Canada they will send your kid home if there is any chance other kids will catch what they have.
The thing you guys without kids bitching about is: what do you do when you have a job and depend on the school to look after your kid for the set hours they typically do?
Trust me, until it happens to you from the parent's side, you won't appreciate the situation. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:22 am Post subject: |
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A) Set up a card table in the street in order to promote your product.
B) Grab women by the arm to bring them to your table.
C) When they say, "no" you continue to forcefully pull her towards the table.
Sorry, it's just that I fantasize about crushing these assholes' tracheas every time I see this happen. Respect for women ftw! |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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In Quebec public schools, there were *always* some sick kids who were there anyway. Pretty common. Sometimes the colds lasted a while, and the kids were still sent to school. I haven't seen any there with a blanket aroud themselves asleep on their desk, but if you take out the blanket part...
They only got sent home if they were REALLY sick. Like throwing up or something.
The teachers came to school if they were sick too. They only took sick days if they were really sick. But a regular cold? Yeah, they came in and taught anyway.
It's becoming more common for kids (and adults) to go into school (or work) sick. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: |
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A) Sent your kid to school sick? |
Not much.
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B) Sent your kid to school sick, day after day? |
Not much depending on the sickness of course...as a former teacher back in Canada...I can tell you many parents send their little ones to school with colds, the flu, pink eye and so on...
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D) Were a teacher and came to school sick, day after day? |
Happened at my HS back home where teachers routinely came to work with colds and the flu to "work through it".
Then again the rules back home for unionized teachers allow for you to take a sick day, they havea sub pool to draw from for such cases.
This does not seem to be the case here.
If you are talking about Hakwons then that is a whole different ballgame...much like any ESL school back home. You call in sick and they usually have a hard time filing your spot. Also many places (yes back home) do not give sick days so if you do not show up...no pay comes in for that day...hence many teachers choose to butch through. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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One night, you are going to be served by a waiter with the flu. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Homer wrote: |
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B) Sent your kid to school sick, day after day? |
Not much depending on the sickness of course...as a former teacher back in Canada...I can tell you many parents send their little ones to school with colds, the flu, pink eye and so on... |
Excuse me? Where I'm from, if you were sending your kid to school sick constantly, you'd have Social Services called on your ass. Colds aren't a big deal, obviously, but if you sent a child to school with the flu or (god forbid) pink eye, you can be damn sure your child would be in the nurse's office until someone came and got them.
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D) Were a teacher and came to school sick, day after day? |
Also many places (yes back home) do not give sick days so if you do not show up...no pay comes in for that day...hence many teachers choose to butch through. |
Not sure where you're from, but in NY in the only teachers who wouldn't have sick/personal days available would be substitutes, which is pretty obvious considering they're not employed by any one school. All teachers at private/public schools would have government mandated sick and personal days on top of vacation.
Where in Canada are you from that has apparently missed the whole "worker's rights" movement? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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If you ask a classful of adult students how many days they stayed home from school sick and you will get a shock. Not more than one or two will raise their hands...and then ask if being hospitalized with a broken leg counts. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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When I was 17, I had tonsilitis and my mum sent me to school.... but then she was the music teacher at the same school!
I only went for one day when the doc, whose daughter also went to the same school, and told her dad that I was at school, phoned my mum up and told her to keep me at home for the rest of the week. I went to a small private girls school, so people knew each other... my mum was quite adamant that I should be at school but the doc said that tonsilitis is contagious and therefore I should be at home.
Twas a good week. I did little, just lounged around in my room watching TV and binged on the ice cream that my dad (retired by that time) so lovingly brought to me!!!!!! |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Barking...
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One night, you are going to be served by a waiter with the flu. |
I am certain this already happened many times both here and home...
Scottius,
A) The no-pay for sick days I was refering to (and this was clear in my post buddy) was for ESL private schools/academies back home who hire English Teachers. Most of those hire teachers and provide no paid sick days...so you miss work...no pay for that missed day.
I said (clearly, had you bothered to read) that unionized teachers back home get sick days and that schools have access to a sub-pool....boy...
Now, I was discussing the fact that you cannot compare hakwons to public schools back home...not the same conditions.
Better compare hakwons to private institutes back home...this was my point.
B) Sick kids in school
What you say is cute. I worked in a public school back in Canada for a few years as a full-time teacher. I had many kids show up to school with colds, the flu and sometimes pink eye.
They did not end up in the "nurses office to be quarantined". Why did this happen?
Many families are unable to miss work days (my oh my..their employers do not give them very many sick days..what a shock!) so they basically feel stuck.
I do hope this clears things up for you scotty.... |
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Landros

Joined: 19 Oct 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: SICK in Canada |
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I stayed home probably 5+ days per year because of having a cold or something. Just stay home!
And Saturday is not for school. that is plain insane. Weekend starts friday.
More Sick Days are needed in Korea!!
And no opting out or pressure at the office not to take them. or bonus pay for not taking them. |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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older kids (13+) can easily stay home alone. Younger kids cannot and if both parents work it's not easy to take time off. Unless the illness is contagious or life threatening sending them to school is not a big deal. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Homer wrote: |
Scottius,
A) The no-pay for sick days I was refering to (and this was clear in my post buddy) was for ESL private schools/academies back home who hire English Teachers. Most of those hire teachers and provide no paid sick days...so you miss work...no pay for that missed day.
I said (clearly, had you bothered to read) that unionized teachers back home get sick days and that schools have access to a sub-pool....boy...
Now, I was discussing the fact that you cannot compare hakwons to public schools back home...not the same conditions.
Better compare hakwons to private institutes back home...this was my point.
B) Sick kids in school
What you say is cute. I worked in a public school back in Canada for a few years as a full-time teacher. I had many kids show up to school with colds, the flu and sometimes pink eye.
They did not end up in the "nurses office to be quarantined". Why did this happen?
Many families are unable to miss work days (my oh my..their employers do not give them very many sick days..what a shock!) so they basically feel stuck.
I do hope this clears things up for you scotty.... |
Good try. First of all, the OP doesn't address what specific school system he's referring to, so to say that this is somehow hakwon specific is just wrong. Secondly, you say you worked at a public school in Canada, and yet you're telling us about "ESL schools" in Canada (cause you apparently know how their sick-day systems work). Not sure how things work in Canada, but "back home," if you're an immigrant who needs extra help with English, you get it at school. That's part of the public school system's job.
All I can say is, if I was Canadian, I would be pretty pissed at the shit you spout off. In this thread alone, you make the Canadian education system look like some sort of third world nation.
The fact of the matter is that your opinion on any subject relating to Korea is a pre-determined thing. No amount of facts, firsthand accounts or general common sense will change your mind. Please stop hiding behind the facade of being the "rational" one. You're just as bad as the chronic Korea-bashers... you're just the other side of the same coin.
Here, I've created a short formula to mathematically encapsulate your lack of critical thinking skills, as your response to anything relating to Korea is as predictable as Old Faithful:
(supposed fault in Korean system)/(supposed faults "back home") = Korean way is better and anyone who thinks otherwise is a racist |
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idonojacs
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry if I did not make myself clear.
Back home, for us expat ESL teachers here in Korea, means back in our home country, ie, the US, Canada, NZ, Australia, Britain, S. Africa, etc.
In those countries, "school" means a place where children up to about age 18 are educated in order to receive a high school diploma. I should have said "public school," ie a government funded school, although in some countries "public school" has a different meaning. There are also "private schools," ie schools that are not government funded, but that perform the same function as a public school in that they teach all subjects necessary to receive a high school degree.
In the US, public schools provide school age children with ESL courses, when necessary. I know of no English hagwons in the U.S., as there is no need for them. Hagwons that teach other subjects after school hours are also unknown to me. You can hire a private tutor for a subject you are having trouble in, but this, too, is rare. More often, you would see a teacher after school for extra help or take a remedial summer school course. There are, however, special schools to help with preparation for the SAT.
There are special classes for adults who need help learning English, usually government funded.
When I was growing up, if you were visably sick, you were sent to the nurse's office, which EVERY public school had. If you had a fever, or were otherwise sick, your parent was called to pick you up and take you home. If the parent had to work, a relative or neighbor would look after you.
Any parent who sent their kid to school sick repeatedly would have been reported to Social Serivices, an investigation would have been made, and legal action could possibly have been taken, including, if necessary, putting a child in a foster home if he or she had been subject to neglect or abuse.
If you ask anyone from my generation how many times they went to school sick, they would almost all say "None." I would. I never saw a student attend school sick.
Teachers, of course, are allowed to take sick days. Every school system, public and private, has substitute teachers on call to take over a class from a sick teacher. If necessary, a principal or assistant principal, would take over those classes, usually temporarily until the substitute arrived, but perhaps for the day in a smaller school. If a public school refused to allow a teacher to take a sick day, it would be a violation of their contract with the teacher's union and a violation of state law. The teacher could take the school to court and get compensation.
Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I can tell, there is no such thing as a substitute teacher in Korea. |
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