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New law positive and negative unintended consequences

 
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: New law positive and negative unintended consequences Reply with quote

Now if a police check takes 4 months to get, very few people applying for jobs are going to have their police checks. Word might filter down eventually that you should get it before you start looking for jobs but in the short run, schools will need to start hiring a teacher months in advance, not the customary "oh my god!" method they used before.

Positive, it makes the current teacher valuable. If you walk, they're really screwed.

Negative, schools will start to demand months in advance if you're going to resign. If you say no, you're then at risk of being treated like crap.
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jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before I came to Korea, there was a Japanese school I was going to assist in for a few weeks before coming. The owner of the school noticed I had a chauffeur's license, and he wanted to get my paperwork all squared away.

So, we spent about 10-20 minutes on the computer, and he did a police check. Obviously, this didn't include fingerprints, but how involved are the checks that they would take 4 months?

I don't think it took that long for my brother in law to get security clearance with the government for a securities job.

Does anyone have any facts on the police checks and how long they will take, specifically what would take 4 months?
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jadarite wrote:
Before I came to Korea, there was a Japanese school I was going to assist in for a few weeks before coming. The owner of the school noticed I had a chauffeur's license, and he wanted to get my paperwork all squared away.

So, we spent about 10-20 minutes on the computer, and he did a police check. Obviously, this didn't include fingerprints, but how involved are the checks that they would take 4 months?

I don't think it took that long for my brother in law to get security clearance with the government for a securities job.

Does anyone have any facts on the police checks and how long they will take, specifically what would take 4 months?



That would be for an FBI check. I am not an American but I think state checks are processed much quicker. The debate is which type of check will be acceptable to the authorities; at the moment noone knows.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gwangjuboy wrote:

That would be for an FBI check. I am not an American but I think state checks are processed much quicker. The debate is which type of check will be acceptable to the authorities; at the moment noone knows.


Yeah that's going to be a morass too. 50 states, 10 Canadian provinces, 5 nations... All have different kinds of police checks. And Korean Immigration is going to have to decide, suddenly, what's legit. Won't it be great when Immi starts rejecting police checks because they have their heads up their ass?

http://canadaonline.about.com/cs/crime/ht/criminalrecord.htm

According to this site it say it takes 120 days for a Canadian RCMP check. That's 4 months.
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B-Teacher



Joined: 09 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="mindmetoo"]
Gwangjuboy wrote:

According to this site it say it takes 120 days for a Canadian RCMP check. That's 4 months.


Provincial or local police usually only take a couple weeks. The last time I got one (2 years ago) it took about 14 days. As the other poster said, it'll all depend on what checks are considered "acceptable".
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see why it takes so long to do a police check. Type the name, check the record, print it out, make it official, and send it.

Weird.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that in Taiwan, this stuff is all done at the airport as you arrive.

Police checks that is.

I have never been to or worked in Taiwan, so I have no clue....(no surprise there Laughing )

Does anyone know or can anyone with Taiwan experience verify this?

If this is the case in Taiwan, why can't Korea get all their pegs in line and do the same?

Just a thought.
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SirFink



Joined: 05 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
I've heard that in Taiwan, this stuff is all done at the airport as you arrive.


If you get pulled over on the road the cop just runs your social security number or driver's license number through a little dashboard computer in his car. Takes a minute or two to see if you have any outstanding warrants, suspended license, etc. Don't see why your local police station couldn't do something similar.

Korea makes such an effort to stem the tide of fake degrees, you really gotta wonder how on Earth they're going to figure out what's a legit criminal background check and what's just some fake print-out the teacher did himself. Same could be said of the medical check.
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ulmaeri



Joined: 26 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the US, a local police check and a full background check for security clearance are two difference things.
The local police can check to see if you have anything locally or statewide. But most, if not all, of the states have not yet linked up their databases fully yet. So if you have an outstanding warrant for parking tickets in one state, there isn't a high likelihood that another state's cop is gonna see it.
With a security clearance check, they pull up your entire history, hit all the states' databases, and even sometimes interview and run checks on the people who knew you.
And in the end, remember that you aren't law enforcement, they get first shot at the database. Then when it is sitting idle, and after the employee has had their coffee and water cooler discussion, they may start in on your request. Government jobs.....
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was required to get a police check when hired for my public school position.
I went to the sheriffs office with my liceense filled out a form and that was it.

The NCPA requires FDLE and the FBI to make a reasonable effort to
return your criminal history information within 15 business days.

Here is a site that may be helpful.

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/BackgroundChecks/vechsquestions.html
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An individual may request a copy of his or her own FBI Identification Record for personal review or to challenge information on the Record. Other reasons an individual may request a copy of his or her own Identification Record may include international adoption or to satisfy a requirement to live or work in a foreign country (i.e., police certificate, letter of good conduct, criminal history background, etc.)


Allow approximately 16-18 weeks for processing, upon receipt to the FBI.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/fprequest.htm
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chachee99



Joined: 20 Oct 2004
Location: Seoul Korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the regulations for renewals? I have a criminal record check from two years ago, but not supported by finger prints from my local police station. If it is needed, will it be enough to pass Korean expectations or do i have to go through all the work and get a new one?
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No positive effects for us. Come on.

Positive effects would be making sure foreigners are treated fairly with obvious things such as pay and benefits. Making sure that when we run into any problems with these sort of things that they are quickly rectified. All to help Korea's reputation while helping out people who come here to provide a service.

That would help.

But no. God forbid. We should be able to make one quick phone call or make one quick visit to whatever office and have the situation taken care of. A sort of treatment of foreigners policy. Seriously. It's a big industry here, so they should treat it like one.

But no.
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