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Manner of Speaking
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Hitler liked ghoti cheeks, especially broiled and served over candied tomatoes.
This thread reminds me of other serendipities in language and history. It is interesting that 1616 - the symbol representing sexual pleasure in 4th century Greek hieroglyphs according to Horapollus' text - is also the year Shakespeare died. Now add to that the coincidence that 'jouissance' is the term used by many critical thinkers today to describe the pleasure of reading (I take this from Lacan, via Barthes).
To argue that this illustrates some transcendental connection between sex, language, and literature since 4th century Egypt and up to the present day is insane (sure the connection exists, but my examples are coincidences).
Philosophers and politicians don't often invent words, they appropriate them. The relationship between the original meaning of Aryan and the 20th century western meaning given to the word is, in my opinion, not noteworthy (I came to this after doing some homework on the matter back when this thread first came up). |
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endo
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On a related topic, are you by chance familiar with PLATO's "Allegory of the Cave"?
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Yes. I minored in philosophy, and that's one of the first things they cover. |
Could you explain this one to me? |
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igotthisguitar
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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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CAN YOU SEE THE LIGHT?
http://www.ask.com/web?qsrc=167&o=0&l=dir&q=allegory+of+the+cave&search=
Iranian Band Plans Concert With Chris de Burgh
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iranian authorities have approved a plan for concerts by an Iranian pop group and singer Chris de Burgh in Tehran, the group's manager said on Saturday.
The concerts, set for the middle of next year, would be the first time since the 1979 revolution that an Iranian pop band had played alongside a Western singer inside the Islamic Republic, Arian's manager Mohsen Rajabpour said.
Rajabpour, director of Taraneh Sharghi music company, said Arian and de Burgh had recorded a song called "A Melody for Peace" which he said was intended "to reflect the peace-seeking spirit of the Iranian people to the world."
"We are trying to organize the concerts, scheduled for June and July," he told Reuters, confirming a report carried by Iran's Fars New Agency.
The plan is to hold the concert at a 12,000-seat stadium complex in Tehran. De Burgh is expected to visit Iran early next year as a tourist for discussions on the project.
De Burgh, born of British parents and brought up in Ireland, is popular in Iran and his Web site message board (www.cdeb.com) has several entries from Iranian fans.
"Iran is definitely one of those countries I would love to visit. Not only for historical reasons but also for the fact that I believe that music is an international language and deserves to be heard all over the world," de Burgh replied to one Iranian in a message posted in 2002.
Western pop songs with lyrics are banned by Iran's authorities although state radio sometimes plays instrumental versions. Iranian pop bands say their lyrics and tunes are vetted before they can be officially sold in Iran.
Pirate versions of the latest Western albums or songs by underground Iranian groups are available on the black market.
"The head of the music centre of the Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance has officially announced that there is no problem with holding a joint performance," Rajabpour said when asked whether his plan had been approved.
Iranian pop groups say plans to hold concerts have to go through a tortuous process to obtain permission. Lyrics are studied to ensure they do not contradict Islamic values and even the music style, such as the use of guitar feedback, prompt disapproval for having too much Western influence, they say.
Iran is locked in a standoff with the West over its nuclear ambitions which Western nations fear are aimed at building bombs. Tehran insists its intentions are entirely peaceful.
(Writing by Reza Derakhshi; Editing by Robert Woodward)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071215/music_nm/iran_music_dc
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On the other hand
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Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: |
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On a related topic, are you by chance familiar with PLATO's "Allegory of the Cave"?
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Yes. I minored in philosophy, and that's one of the first things they cover. |
Could you explain this one to me? |
Sorry, I didn't see this earlier. I'm gonna be lazy and just post Wikipedia's version, which I think is fairly accurate.
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Imagine prisoners, who have been chained since their childhood deep inside a cave: not only are their limbs immobilized by the chains; their heads are chained in one direction as well so that their gaze is fixed on a wall.
Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which puppets of various animals, plants, and other things are moved along. The puppets cast shadows on the wall, and the prisoners watch these shadows. When one of the puppet-carriers speaks, an echo against the wall causes the prisoners to believe that the words come from the shadows.
The prisoners engage in what appears to us to be a game: naming the shapes as they come by. This, however, is the only reality that they know, even though they are seeing merely shadows of images. They are thus conditioned to judge the quality of one another by their skill in quickly naming the shapes and dislike those who play poorly.
Suppose a prisoner is released and compelled to stand up and turn around. At that moment his eyes will be blinded by the sunlight coming into the cave from its entrance, and the shapes passing by will appear less real than their shadows.
The last object he would be able to see is the sun, which, in time, he would learn to see as the object that provides the seasons and the courses of the year, presides over all things in the visible region, and is in some way the cause of all these things that he has seen.
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I think the idea is that the prisoners represent unenlightened people who assume that the world as it appears to us is all that exists. The guy who gets up and is blinded by the sun represents people who have begun to attain knowledge of the truth, but are too overwhelemed by what they encounter to properly appreciate it. But you'll find more analysis in the article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_cave |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
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On a related topic, are you by chance familiar with PLATO's "Allegory of the Cave"?
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Yes. I minored in philosophy, and that's one of the first things they cover. |
Could you explain this one to me? |
Sorry, I didn't see this earlier. I'm gonna be lazy and just post Wikipedia's version, which I think is fairly accurate.
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Imagine prisoners, who have been chained since their childhood deep inside a cave: not only are their limbs immobilized by the chains; their heads are chained in one direction as well so that their gaze is fixed on a wall.
Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which puppets of various animals, plants, and other things are moved along. The puppets cast shadows on the wall, and the prisoners watch these shadows. When one of the puppet-carriers speaks, an echo against the wall causes the prisoners to believe that the words come from the shadows.
The prisoners engage in what appears to us to be a game: naming the shapes as they come by. This, however, is the only reality that they know, even though they are seeing merely shadows of images. They are thus conditioned to judge the quality of one another by their skill in quickly naming the shapes and dislike those who play poorly.
Suppose a prisoner is released and compelled to stand up and turn around. At that moment his eyes will be blinded by the sunlight coming into the cave from its entrance, and the shapes passing by will appear less real than their shadows.
The last object he would be able to see is the sun, which, in time, he would learn to see as the object that provides the seasons and the courses of the year, presides over all things in the visible region, and is in some way the cause of all these things that he has seen.
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I think the idea is that the prisoners represent unenlightened people who assume that the world as it appears to us is all that exists. The guy who gets up and is blinded by the sun represents people who have begun to attain knowledge of the truth, but are too overwhelemed by what they encounter to properly appreciate it. But you'll find more analysis in the article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_cave |
You've seen the Matrix? That's Plato's cave. Cooler fight scenes than in the Republic, as well. |
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igotthisguitar
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igotthisguitar
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The Arya Dharma
( OR The Ethics of Self Discipline of Sakyamuni Gautama )
Excerpt:
Conquer hatred by love
Conquer evil by righteousness
Conquer the liar by truthfulness
Conquer the greedy by charity.
http://arfalpha.com/SelfDiscipline/AryaDharma.htm |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| Quote: |
On a related topic, are you by chance familiar with PLATO's "Allegory of the Cave"?
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Yes. I minored in philosophy, and that's one of the first things they cover. |
Could you explain this one to me? |
Sorry, I didn't see this earlier. I'm gonna be lazy and just post Wikipedia's version, which I think is fairly accurate.
| Quote: |
Imagine prisoners, who have been chained since their childhood deep inside a cave: not only are their limbs immobilized by the chains; their heads are chained in one direction as well so that their gaze is fixed on a wall.
Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which puppets of various animals, plants, and other things are moved along. The puppets cast shadows on the wall, and the prisoners watch these shadows. When one of the puppet-carriers speaks, an echo against the wall causes the prisoners to believe that the words come from the shadows.
The prisoners engage in what appears to us to be a game: naming the shapes as they come by. This, however, is the only reality that they know, even though they are seeing merely shadows of images. They are thus conditioned to judge the quality of one another by their skill in quickly naming the shapes and dislike those who play poorly.
Suppose a prisoner is released and compelled to stand up and turn around. At that moment his eyes will be blinded by the sunlight coming into the cave from its entrance, and the shapes passing by will appear less real than their shadows.
The last object he would be able to see is the sun, which, in time, he would learn to see as the object that provides the seasons and the courses of the year, presides over all things in the visible region, and is in some way the cause of all these things that he has seen.
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I think the idea is that the prisoners represent unenlightened people who assume that the world as it appears to us is all that exists. The guy who gets up and is blinded by the sun represents people who have begun to attain knowledge of the truth, but are too overwhelemed by what they encounter to properly appreciate it. But you'll find more analysis in the article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_cave |
Jesus Christ! That's sound like a mushroom trip I had three and a half years ago 
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