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keane
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Tony_Balony
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| Hi - Thanks for Thanksgiving Day card. I can rely on that at least once a year. Its good evidence against those "America has always been a land of ..." statements people like to make. |
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sundubuman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: |
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The mythologizing of the native peoples of America is one of the more bizarre outcomes of the 60's.
Sure they lived in all natural buildings and ate organic food, but they were not altogether innocent in their dealings with the European (and later American) settlers, nor with their neighboring tribes. Their way of warfare (for some tribes) included the scalping of newborn babes.
In every instance in the history of mankind when civilized (meaning civil..civitas...living in cities) people rub up against nomads...there will be trouble (China/Mongols, Europeans/Huns, ArabBedouin/Jews). And so far, the civilized tend to have gained the upper hand.
And by the way, I am 1/4 "Native-American" (and three-quarters native white American). Thankfully, my grandmother was from the most civilized tribe, the Cherokee. |
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sundubuman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:53 am Post subject: |
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and by the way,
Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow MiGuks here in Korea...no matter where your ancestors come from.... |
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keane
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| sundubuman wrote: |
The mythologizing of the native peoples of America is one of the more bizarre outcomes of the 60's.
Sure they lived in all natural buildings and ate organic food, but they were not altogether innocent in their dealings with the European (and later American) settlers, nor with their neighboring tribes. Their way of warfare (for some tribes) included the scalping of newborn babes. |
I find it interesting you turned that link 180 degrees... |
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sundubuman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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umm...I turned it at least 540 degrees, or if you read closely enough, 900 degrees....
but thanks for the compliment keane. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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oooh, a new Thanksgiving myth to replace the old one!
Still, I like the old version. Maybe we can mesh the two together somehow? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| It�s a nice tale of racial harmony and happy co-existing cultures sharing food in a feast and giving thanks apparently without contradictions to pantheist concepts and monotheistic myths from sun worship perverted to a self sacrificing sadomasochistic god of ego demanding worship and issuing out eternal punishment for nonbelievers and who thought it was necessary to have a son (or become a his own son) and torture and kill it as a sacrifice to himself in order to be able to save everyone from his own wrath so long as believe his masochistic tantrum. |
I would love to see this SINGLE sentence diagrammed. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| It�s a nice tale of racial harmony and happy co-existing cultures sharing food in a feast and giving thanks apparently without contradictions to pantheist concepts and monotheistic myths from sun worship perverted to a self sacrificing sadomasochistic god of ego demanding worship and issuing out eternal punishment for nonbelievers and who thought it was necessary to have a son (or become a his own son) and torture and kill it as a sacrifice to himself in order to be able to save everyone from his own wrath so long as believe his masochistic tantrum. |
I would love to see this SINGLE sentence diagrammed. |
...ONLY if it can first be made grammatically correct. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Seattle Schools' Thanksgiving 'Myths' Stir Controversy
Wednesday, November 21, 2007
Seattle public schools want a side of political correctness served on your Thanksgiving table.
Washington state's largest school district sent letters to teachers and other employees suggesting Thanksgiving should be "a time of mourning" for its Native American students.
Click here to view the report from FOX News' Dan Springer.
The memo, from Caprice Hollins, the district's director of Equity, Race & Learning Support, included an attachment to a paper titled "Deconstructing the Myths of 'The First Thanksgiving.'"
It includes 11 "myths" disputing everything from what was served at the first Thanksgiving (no mashed potatoes or cranberries) and who provided the food to the nature of the Pilgrims themselves: Myth No. 3 calls the colonists "rigid fundamentalists" who came to the New World "fully intending to take the land away from its native inhabitants."
But what got the Internet abuzz was Myth No. 11: "Thanksgiving is a happy time." It was followed by "Fact: For many Indian people, 'Thanksgiving' is a time of mourning ... a bitter reminder of 500 years of betrayal returned for friendship."
Hollins would not defend her letter, but David Tucker, a spokesman for the district, said it was an effort to be sensitive to minorities in Seattle schools.
"One of the core elements in education is not just understanding your own life history but also those of others," he said.
But one Seattle-area tribe says Thanksgiving is not somber on the reservation but a time to see friends and family, as it is for other Americans.
Native Americans in the Northwest celebrate the holiday with turkey and salmon, said Daryl Williams of the Tulalip Tribes. Before the period of bitter and violent relationships between natives and their culturally European counterparts, they worked together to survive, he said.
"The spirit of Thanksgiving, of people working together to help each other, is the spirit I think that needs to grow in this country, because this country has gotten very divisive," he said.
Nationally syndicated talk show host Michael Medved was more blunt.
"The notion that now you have a major school system sending out a message that, no, rather than expressing thanks we should emphasize guilt on this holiday � that is sick, it is destructive and it is anti-American."
Seattle Public Schools has been in the news before, not always for the performance of its students.
The U.S. Department of Education investigated in April after the district spent part of a federal Smaller Learning Communities grant to send 20 students to the "Eighth Annual White Privilege Conference."
After complaints last year, the district removed from its Web site a definition of racism that claimed planning ahead and individualism were examples of cultural racism.
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keane
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| It�s a nice tale of racial harmony and happy co-existing cultures sharing food in a feast and giving thanks apparently without contradictions to pantheist concepts and monotheistic myths from sun worship perverted to a self sacrificing sadomasochistic god of ego demanding worship and issuing out eternal punishment for nonbelievers and who thought it was necessary to have a son (or become a his own son) and torture and kill it as a sacrifice to himself in order to be able to save everyone from his own wrath so long as believe his masochistic tantrum. |
I would love to see this SINGLE sentence diagrammed. |
...ONLY if it can first be made grammatically correct. |
A little punctuation does go a long way. Scariest thing about it? It's 100% comprehensible. |
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