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twavelingteacher
Joined: 26 Jun 2007
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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: Winter camp overtime pay? Doosy... |
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So I work for a public school and have to teach a winter camp. I will be teaching 41 hours a week for 3 weeks. My contract says I am not supposed to teach more than 23 hours. Will I get overtime for the extra teaching?
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: Re: Winter camp overtime pay? |
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| twavelingteacher wrote: |
| So I work for a public school and have to teach a winter camp. I will be teaching 41 hours a week for 3 weeks. My contract says I am not supposed to teach more than 23 hours. Will I get overtime for the extra teaching? |
u f*ing better! are u sure u're teaching for that amount of time?? honestly, i would refuse to do that... i don't think i could handle that many hrs a wk
public school OT ranges between 20,000-25,000W, i'm not sure if it goes any higher than that. what does your contract say? PS contracts usually say that if u teach more than ___ hrs a week (yr case, 23) or beyond yr scheduled working hrs, u get OT pay per hour. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| If this is during vacation and students are paying extra, you should be getting minimum 30,000 per hour for every single hour. If you're not, you're being suckered. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Overtime is overtime in any contract, and there should be set hourly rates if you are in a public school. What branch of PS school are you in? EPIK? GEPIK? SMOE? |
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twavelingteacher
Joined: 26 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone ever heard of this:
A winter camp of 6 days a week, 48 hours a week, for three weeks.
The English teacher teaching 23 hours a week at it per contract, and then staying in the class helping the other 25 hours but not getting paid overtime because you are not actually teaching, you are helping.
Public school camp, not university thing. |
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valkyrian2
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Joined: 15 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| twavelingteacher wrote: |
Has anyone ever heard of this:
A winter camp of 6 days a week, 48 hours a week, for three weeks.
The English teacher teaching 23 hours a week at it per contract, and then staying in the class helping the other 25 hours but not getting paid overtime because you are not actually teaching, you are helping.
Public school camp, not university thing. |
Just say NO and end the discussion.
They cannot MAKE you do it.
It IS outside the bounds of your contract. Just refuse.
If they insist, then you should insist that you quit and be prepared to back it up with your letter of resignation.
They will back down. |
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bellum99
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Why are you even asking this? It should have been obvious from the start. You like working for free so much ...come to my house and clean. You will be helping not teaching..so it's free, right. You have to stand up for yourself...people will take everything you allow them to take and they never remember what you did. |
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twavelingteacher
Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't say I was going to succomb to it, I said has anyone ever heard of this stunt.
And no I won't come clean your house, thanks. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| twavelingteacher wrote: |
| The English teacher teaching 23 hours a week at it per contract, and then staying in the class helping the other 25 hours but not getting paid overtime because you are not actually teaching, you are helping. |
You might not be TEACHING, but you are in the class WORKING. You are owed OT. It's not like during the regular semester when you are in your office sitting at your desk between classes. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| twavelingteacher wrote: |
Has anyone ever heard of this:
A winter camp of 6 days a week, 48 hours a week, for three weeks.
The English teacher teaching 23 hours a week at it per contract, and then staying in the class helping the other 25 hours but not getting paid overtime because you are not actually teaching, you are helping.
Public school camp, not university thing. |
Again, who are you with? I can tell you with SMOE you will get paid more and you are receiving bad info. Last year, a 3 week camp that required foreign teachers to sleep away earned the teachers 1.4 million won extra on top of the regular pay and 5 bonus days of vacation. |
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wings
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I can tell you with SMOE you will get paid more and you are receiving bad info. Last year, a 3 week camp that required foreign teachers to sleep away earned the teachers 1.4 million won extra on top of the regular pay and 5 bonus days of vacation. |
This isn't true. Each district sets their own pay for district camps, and each school does pretty much whatever they want when it comes to overtime and camp pay, regardless of the rules. My district is asking that people sign up for camp without knowing the pay, and are saying that it may be 500,000 for 3 weeks at overnight camp.
Basically don't do anything without a signed paper saying how much you will be paid for overtime. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| wings wrote: |
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| I can tell you with SMOE you will get paid more and you are receiving bad info. Last year, a 3 week camp that required foreign teachers to sleep away earned the teachers 1.4 million won extra on top of the regular pay and 5 bonus days of vacation. |
This isn't true. Each district sets their own pay for district camps, and each school does pretty much whatever they want when it comes to overtime and camp pay, regardless of the rules. My district is asking that people sign up for camp without knowing the pay, and are saying that it may be 500,000 for 3 weeks at overnight camp.
Basically don't do anything without a signed paper saying how much you will be paid for overtime. |
Kind of true.
I was referring to last summer. All SMOE teachers I know got paid about 72,000 per day, or 1.4 million, even those in differing districts.
Schools do NOT do whatever they want in terms of pay and overtime. Overtime pay is set in the contract. Some districts or schools give more, which is great, but if a school is trying to underpay, the school is breaking the contract and the district should be notified.
You are smart not to sign up for anything without it on paper. A big problem with SMOE contracts is that camps are required, but no official pay is set for the camps. You don't have to do a camp that requires you to sleep away, even though some schools lie and say you do. You signed a contract saying you will do a camp, but not be away from your home for 3 weeks.
I wouldn't personally do a 3 week camp for 500,000 extra unless I was able to sleep in my home at night. |
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icnelly
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Bibbitybop"]
| wings wrote: |
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| I can tell you with SMOE you will get paid more and you are receiving bad info. Last year, a 3 week camp that required foreign teachers to sleep away earned the teachers 1.4 million won extra on top of the regular pay and 5 bonus days of vacation. |
I wouldn't personally do a 3 week camp for 500,000 extra unless I was able to sleep in my home at night. |
Personally, I wouldn't do a 3 week camp for 500,000 extra. <--full stop. |
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cj1976
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I work for SMOE and I've just been told about winter camp. As an incentive for doing the camp, we are offered an extra 5 days vacation. Does this mean I can opt out? Also, it is scheduled for to run on a Saturday. Can I say no to this? |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I work for SMOE and I've just been told about winter camp. As an incentive for doing the camp, we are offered an extra 5 days vacation. Does this mean I can opt out? Also, it is scheduled for to run on a Saturday. Can I say no to this? |
If you plan on traveling, I think the 5 days extra would be great. |
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