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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Bush subversion continues to be thwarted Reply with quote

of the Constitution. But how does this stop him from making recess appointments?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

Does POTUS Hear the Banging?
The Senate's eerily empty pro forma sessions this week and next have raised an age old question, with a twist: If a gavel bangs in the Senate and no one is around to hear it, does it still bang?

Yes, if you look at it from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's perspective. That gavel -- banged once to open the Senate, twice to close it, and all within 30 seconds, as was the case Tuesday -- is a boisterous defense against a potential sneak attack by President Bush on the Senate's constitutional powers.

The sole intent of the pro forma session is to stop Bush from filling federal vacancies with recess appointments, which he can do if Congress is in -- you got it! -- recess.

When Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) strolled into the Senate chamber Tuesday at 9 a.m., turned on the lights (ok, a clerk did that for him), sat down in the presiding chair, looked out over a sea of empty desks, the Vietnam veteran -- armed with nothing but a gavel -- had but one mission: to pre-empt an enemy attack on the Senate.

Webb almost cracked a smile at the absurdity of it as he banged the gavel, declared, "The Senate stands in recess until Nov. 23rd, '07 at 10 a.m.," and then gave another bang to close the joint until the next chosen senator, Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), gets a tour with the gavel the morning after Thanksgiving.

Asked how he got chosen for duty, Webb, ever mindful of his local and freshman status, told us, "I'm from Virginia, I'm in town, and I'm very, very junior." Plus, he said, "I'd much rather be doing this than allow the president to skirt the confirmation process in the Senate. This is an exercise in protecting the Constitution and our constitutional process."

In two of the most notable occasions on which the Senate let down its guard, Bush was able to sneak through the appointments of "Swift Boat" Sam Fox to be ambassador to Belgium.

And then there was Julie Myers, who Bush appointed behind the Senate's back to become the nation's top immigration official. She's not the most popular recess appointee on the block: she's still taking heat for awarding the "best original costume" prize at the agency's Halloween party to an employee wearing a prisoner outfit with darkened face make-up and fake dreadlocks.)

So the Democrats will continue taking turns keeping watch over the Senate and gaveling it into and out of session every couple of days day this week and next. Following Dorgan this Friday, next week's "watchman" is Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) who will preside over lickity-split sessions on both Tuesday and Thursday.

And yes, Democrats are pretty sure Bush can feel the bang even if he can't hear it.


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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder why the less-than-esteemed former UN ambassador John Bolton was left out.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I wonder why the less-than-esteemed former UN ambassador John Bolton was left out.

Yes, another famous recess appointment.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why the Senate recesses anyway.

They should do their job like everyone else.

These session that they are holding now are a fraud, there is no work being done and it is counter productive.

If the Senate leadership really wanted to make a point they would call areal session and take the up or down vote on these appointments and stop fooling around and stagnating the executive branch.

I really don't know how a session can be valid without a quorum?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and it is counter productive


I consider any day spent stymieing Bush a day well spent.

When the Democrats won control of Congress in Nov '06, they had two choices:

a) impeach Bush with the intent of hog-tieing him till Jan '09 (even though they didn't have the votes for conviction, but it would tear the country apart), or

b) screw with him and his agenda, like this instance.

In sports, it's called running out the clock.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

US General Says Iran Helping Stop Iraq Bloodshed
AFP - Wed Nov 21, 8:44 AM ET



BAGHDAD (AFP) - A US general on Wednesday acknowledged Iran's role in helping quell the bloodshed in Iraq, saying Tehran had contributed to stopping the flow of arms across the border into the country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071121/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestusiran
;_ylt=AlOkE9EnGD2RQwEshQL03RgDW7oF
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misleading title.. recess appointments are hardly a subversion of the Constitution, they're specifically allowed in it. If the president chooses to employ them instead of fighting for Senate confirmation, that can be viewed as an abuse/misuse of the power, but far from unconstitutional.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
US General Says Iran Helping Stop Iraq Bloodshed
AFP - Wed Nov 21, 8:44 AM ET



BAGHDAD (AFP) - A US general on Wednesday acknowledged Iran's role in helping quell the bloodshed in Iraq, saying Tehran had contributed to stopping the flow of arms across the border into the country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071121/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestusiran
;_ylt=AlOkE9EnGD2RQwEshQL03RgDW7oF


showing that Iran can turn it on and turn it off.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
Misleading title.. recess appointments are hardly a subversion of the Constitution, they're specifically allowed in it. If the president chooses to employ them instead of fighting for Senate confirmation, that can be viewed as an abuse/misuse of the power, but far from unconstitutional.

technically, I'll have to agree with you on that, but I think the Founding Fathers meant for that option to be used when an appointment was needed and Congress just happened to be out of session, and not to purposely wait until they were out of session to use it to get people in who would not have been confirmed by them.

Would it have been better if I said he is only trying to subvert the spirit of the Constitution?
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo said succinctly:

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showing that Iran can turn it on and turn it off.


B-I-N-G-O.

But don't expect diehard liberal guitarman to see this glaringly obvious point. He'd rather believe that if the West just appealed to the Iranian theocracy's better judgment all would be well in the world, or at least Iraq. More pipe dreams...

OP:

The Washington Post is and has been a Democratic Party mouthpiece for several decades. So any op-ed article from them must be read with a jaundiced eye. But then you knew that, right? Rolling Eyes
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Pluto



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to go out on a limb here and agree with Joo. You all forget Iran is at war with us. This nonsensical talk about America being an 'Imperial' power is just that: NONSENSE! It's about Arab Liberty. I will continue to believe that Arab, as well as Persian, Liberty is closely related to our security; the world's security. Liberty means freedom from the ~ism; don't forget it.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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must be read with a jaundiced eye.


From Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: jaun�diced
Pronunciation: \-dəst\
Function: adjective
Date: 1640
1 : affected with or as if with jaundice
2 : exhibiting or influenced by envy, distaste, or hostility <a jaundiced eye>

And who would know more about that than you?
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keane



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
and stop fooling around and stagnating the executive branch.



Drink the Kool-Aid much?
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pluto wrote:
You all forget Iran is at war with us.

They are? Did Bush do that, too, while Congress was out on recess? I must have been, too, or I didn't get the memo on this.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Pluto wrote:
You all forget Iran is at war with us.

They are? Did Bush do that, too, while Congress was out on recess? I must have been, too, or I didn't get the memo on this.







Shipment of high explosives intercepted in Iraq
Most sophisticated of roadside bombs reportedly coming from Iran


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/




9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran


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Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran




http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html






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The American military said Tuesday that it had credible evidence linking Iranians and their Iraqi associates, detained here in raids last week, to criminal activities, including attacks against American forces. Evidence also emerged that some detainees had been involved in shipments of weapons to illegal armed groups in Iraq.







http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F0061EF635550C748EDDAB0994DE404482







Quote:
On June 25, 1996, Iran again attacked America at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, exploding a huge truck bomb that devastated Khobar Towers and murdered 19 U.S. airmen as they rested in their dormitory. These young heroes spent every day risking their lives enforcing the no-fly zone over southern Iraq; that is, protecting Iraqi Shiites from their own murderous tyrant. When I visited this horrific scene soon after the attack, I watched dozens of dedicated FBI agents combing through the wreckage in 120-degree heat, reverently handling the human remains of our brave young men. More than 400 of our Air Force men and women were wounded in this well-planned attack, and I was humbled by their courage and spirit. I later met with the families of our lost Khobar heroes and promised that we would do whatever was necessary to bring these terrorists to American justice. The courage and dignity these wonderful families have consistently exemplified has been one of the most powerful experiences of my 26 years of public service.








http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003518



Iran responsible for 1983 Marine barracks bombing, judge rules

Friday, May 30, 2003 Posted: 11:14 PM EDT (0314 GMT)
Marines search through the rubble for their missing comrades after the 1983 barracks bombing in Beirut, Lebanon.


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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is responsible for the 1983 suicide bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 241 American servicemen, a U.S. District Court judge ruled Friday.


http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/







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Amir Taheri: Khomeinists hammering new strategy to oust 'Great Satan'

But at almost exactly the same time, militants from some 40 countries spread across the globe were trekking to Tehran for a 10-day "revolutionary jamboree" in which "a new strategy to confront the American Great Satan" will be hammered out. The event is scheduled to start on February 1 to mark the 25th anniversary of the return to Iran from exile of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the "Islamic Revolution".

It is not clear how many militants will attend, but the official media promise a massive turnout to underline the Islamic Republic's position as the "throbbing heart of world resistance to American arrogance."

The guest list reads like a who-is-who of global terror.

In fact, most of the organisations attending the event, labelled "Ten-Days of Dawn", are branded by the US and some European Union members as terrorist outfits. For more than two decades, Tehran has been a magnet for militant groups from many different national and ideological backgrounds.

The Islamic Republic's hospitality cuts across even religious divides. Militant Sunni organisations, including two linked to Al Qaida, Ansar al-Islam (Companions of Islam) and Hizb Islami (The Islamic Party), enjoy Iranian hospitality.

They are joined by Latin American guerrilla outfits, clandestine Irish organisations, Basque and Corsican separatists, and a variety of leftist groups from Spartacists to Trotskyites and Guevarists. Tehran is the only capital where all the Palestinian militant movements have offices and, in some cases, training and financial facilities.






http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/04/01/28/109235.html



Quote:
U.S.: Top Iran officials ordering bombs to Iraq
Orders to send armor-piercing bombs came from highest levels, official says


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658/

Iran also supports Hizzbollah who counterfits US money and sells drugs .

Iran also incites violence.
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