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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Okay, guys, its my turn. MOS, your shift is over. You may leave Langley and go see your family for Thanksgiving.
I'll continue to distract those who know the truth.
As long as we keep them on this thread, they can't expose our secrets!
Joo, JMO, I'll need your help. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Okay, guys, its my turn. MOS, your shift is over. You may leave Langley and go see your family for Thanksgiving. I'll continue to distract those who know the truth.
As long as we keep them on this thread, they can't expose our secrets!
Joo, JMO, I'll need your help. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Okay, guys, its my turn. MOS, your shift is over. You may leave Langley and go see your family for Thanksgiving. I'll continue to distract those who know the truth.
As long as we keep them on this thread, they can't expose our secrets!
Joo, JMO, I'll need your help. |
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and this is how people support conspiracy plots without even knowing it. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
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would it be because it indeed would require many people, not just a few?
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Yes. Most 911 conspiracies seem to require too many people. |
Would a 'grand' conspriracy require many people to 'know' all the details, or even just know that they were doing something wrong?
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| JMO wrote: |
Quite alot of people conspired to commit 911? Extremely improbable that it would remain a secret.
The more people alleged to be involved the more evidence is required.
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Well the first step in talking about the probablity of a conspiracy is the amount of people involved.
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"conspiracies seem to require too many people"
over and over and over again. |
"I'm sure that it is in some peoples/corporations interest to keep some things secret. You cannot concluse from that however that whatever conspiracy you believe in is therefore true."
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| loose_ends wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
Okay, guys, its my turn. MOS, your shift is over. You may leave Langley and go see your family for Thanksgiving. I'll continue to distract those who know the truth.
As long as we keep them on this thread, they can't expose our secrets!
Joo, JMO, I'll need your help. |
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and this is how people support conspiracy plots without even knowing it. |
Without knowing it? But I'm not ignorant of my orders...orders which I can neither confirm nor deny the existence |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
Okay, guys, its my turn. MOS, your shift is over. You may leave Langley and go see your family for Thanksgiving. I'll continue to distract those who know the truth.
As long as we keep them on this thread, they can't expose our secrets!
Joo, JMO, I'll need your help. |
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and this is how people support conspiracy plots without even knowing it. |
Without knowing it? But I'm not ignorant of my orders...orders which I can neither confirm nor deny the existence |
ok, lets play your little game then.
what orders are you not ignorant of? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| loose_ends wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
Okay, guys, its my turn. MOS, your shift is over. You may leave Langley and go see your family for Thanksgiving. I'll continue to distract those who know the truth.
As long as we keep them on this thread, they can't expose our secrets!
Joo, JMO, I'll need your help. |
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and this is how people support conspiracy plots without even knowing it. |
Without knowing it? But I'm not ignorant of my orders...orders which I can neither confirm nor deny the existence |
ok, lets play your little game then.
what orders are you not ignorant of? |
Well, I don't think I'm under orders.
But thats EXACTLY what the gov't wants me to think. Hrmmm. Who benefits from me not knowing? The gov't!
Maybe I'm not actually under orders GIVEN to me, but I'm working for the gov't unwillingly and unwittingly. Yes, thats the gov't's MO. They have secrets which they won't let me know, so they can't be trusted! I mean look at all the stuff they've kept covered up all these years! All those suspicious occurrances.
Oh, dear. I've said too much, I've thought too much. Oh, Rousseau was right! Knowledge is a curse! Now that I know their plan, they'll try to kill me! Either that...either that...or...
...or....
...they'll try to trap me into chatting into irrelevance and oblivion about the truth on a chatboard all my life! |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
Okay, guys, its my turn. MOS, your shift is over. You may leave Langley and go see your family for Thanksgiving. I'll continue to distract those who know the truth.
As long as we keep them on this thread, they can't expose our secrets!
Joo, JMO, I'll need your help. |
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and this is how people support conspiracy plots without even knowing it. |
Without knowing it? But I'm not ignorant of my orders...orders which I can neither confirm nor deny the existence |
ok, lets play your little game then.
what orders are you not ignorant of? |
Well, I don't think I'm under orders.
But thats EXACTLY what the gov't wants me to think. Hrmmm. Who benefits from me not knowing? The gov't!
Maybe I'm not actually under orders GIVEN to me, but I'm working for the gov't unwillingly and unwittingly. Yes, thats the gov't's MO. They have secrets which they won't let me know, so they can't be trusted! I mean look at all the stuff they've kept covered up all these years! All those suspicious occurrances.
Oh, dear. I've said too much, I've thought too much. Oh, Rousseau was right! Knowledge is a curse! Now that I know their plan, they'll try to kill me! Either that...either that...or...
...or....
...they'll try to trap me into chatting into irrelevance and oblivion about the truth on a chatboard all my life! |
ur boring.
next. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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"If you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through it will blow up everything in its way."
- French author Emile Zola
"All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
"Treason does never prosper.
What's the reason?
When it prospers,
None dare call it treason."
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Quite alot of people conspired to commit 911? Extremely improbable that it would remain a secret. I don't think Chomsky was talking about that though or at least as much as I could gather.
I would have to say though that his opinion is only that. Evidence is required. The more people alleged to be involved the more evidence is required.
I'm sure that it is in some peoples/corporations interest to keep some things secret. You cannot concluse from that however that whatever conspiracy you believe in is therefore true. |
i'm not talking about 9/11.
i'm not trying to justify 9/11.
i'm merely discussing the conspiracy chomsky was charged for fueling.
my question is....would it take a lot of people?....and do you think it is true? |
He doesn't seem very specific. Give me the theory with details and a ballpark figure on those involved.. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
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Quite alot of people conspired to commit 911? Extremely improbable that it would remain a secret. I don't think Chomsky was talking about that though or at least as much as I could gather.
I would have to say though that his opinion is only that. Evidence is required. The more people alleged to be involved the more evidence is required.
I'm sure that it is in some peoples/corporations interest to keep some things secret. You cannot concluse from that however that whatever conspiracy you believe in is therefore true. |
i'm not talking about 9/11.
i'm not trying to justify 9/11.
i'm merely discussing the conspiracy chomsky was charged for fueling.
my question is....would it take a lot of people?....and do you think it is true? |
He doesn't seem very specific. Give me the theory with details and a ballpark figure on those involved.. |
| regicide wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| JMO wrote: |
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would it be because it indeed would require many people, not just a few?
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Yes. Most 911 conspiracies seem to require too many people. |
Would a 'grand' conspriracy require many people to 'know' all the details, or even just know that they were doing something wrong?
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| JMO wrote: |
Quite alot of people conspired to commit 911? Extremely improbable that it would remain a secret.
The more people alleged to be involved the more evidence is required.
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Well the first step in talking about the probablity of a conspiracy is the amount of people involved.
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"conspiracies seem to require too many people"
over and over and over again. |
"I'm sure that it is in some peoples/corporations interest to keep some things secret. You cannot concluse from that however that whatever conspiracy you believe in is therefore true."
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
Okay, guys, its my turn. MOS, your shift is over. You may leave Langley and go see your family for Thanksgiving. I'll continue to distract those who know the truth.
As long as we keep them on this thread, they can't expose our secrets!
Joo, JMO, I'll need your help. |
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and this is how people support conspiracy plots without even knowing it. |
Without knowing it? But I'm not ignorant of my orders...orders which I can neither confirm nor deny the existence |
ok, lets play your little game then.
what orders are you not ignorant of? |
Well, I don't think I'm under orders.
But thats EXACTLY what the gov't wants me to think. Hrmmm. Who benefits from me not knowing? The gov't!
Maybe I'm not actually under orders GIVEN to me, but I'm working for the gov't unwillingly and unwittingly. Yes, thats the gov't's MO. They have secrets which they won't let me know, so they can't be trusted! I mean look at all the stuff they've kept covered up all these years! All those suspicious occurrances.
Oh, dear. I've said too much, I've thought too much. Oh, Rousseau was right! Knowledge is a curse! Now that I know their plan, they'll try to kill me! Either that...either that...or...
...or....
...they'll try to trap me into chatting into irrelevance and oblivion about the truth on a chatboard all my life! |
Kuros,
Good work! |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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U.S. & Iraq Agree On Talks For Future "Relationship"
Mon Nov 26, 6:39 PM
By Tabassum Zakaria
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States and Iraq have agreed to start formal negotiations next year about the future relationship of the two countries, including
the size and role of American forces to remain there, the White House said on Monday.
President George W. Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki agreed to a "declaration of principles" that will guide talks on reaching bilateral agreements to cover a long-term relationship between the two countries.
The principles included defending a democratic Iraq against "internal and external threats"; encouraging foreign investments, especially American, to contribute to reconstruction and rebuilding; and supporting Iraq joining the World Trade Organization.
MORE ...
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/071126/world/international_iraq_usa_dc |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| so are you saying that conspiracy theories are conspiring against democracy? or is it all just a coincidence? |
They are a deliberate attempt to give the average citizen a false view of the world they live in, and a false view of how much power the average citizen has to influence their government. So yes, they are a conspiracy against democracy. A deliberate one. |
"So yes, they are a conspiracy against democracy. A deliberate one."
Just like MOS gets all of his false material from John McAdam's misinformation website, it seems his premise for this ridiculous thread might have it's orgins from: Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by the famous prosecutor of Charles Manson: Vincent Bugliosi.
The latest issue of "The Federal Lawyer," an American publication that is directed toward, and largely read by, federal attorneys, has published Dr. Gary Aguilar's review of Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History."
In that review Aguilar, who is an MD writes:
It is not just that critics have convinced 75 percent of Americans (Bugliosi's figure [3]) to reject the official truth, which he says happens to be the real truth. These critics, Bugliosi contends, are also responsible for a widespread loss of faith in once-respected institutions. Such widespread skepticism, "gestating for decades in the nation's marrow," he writes, "obviously has to have had a deleterious effect on the way Americans view those who lead them and determine their destiny.
Indeed, Jefferson Morley, former Washington editor of the Nation, observes that Kennedy's assassination has been 'a kind of national Rorschach test of the American political psyche. What Americans think about the Kennedy assassination reveals what they think about their government.'"[4] To those who might wonder if more than 1600 pages of text and 900 pages of endnotes were really necessary, Bugliosi says that the problem is so severe that nothing less would have sufficed.
Although Warren Commission skeptics might not welcome this gargantuan new salvo, there is no denying that Bugliosi's Herculean effort is an historic and important contribution. It is valuable not only as a reference for the myriad facts in the case and for debunking some of the pro-conspiracy codswallop that has not elsewhere already been debunked (most of it has been, if one has the time to find it). The book's use also lies in demonstrating that it may not be possible for one person to fully master, or give a fair accounting of, this impossibly tangled mess of a case.
In fact, despite Bugliosi's pugnacious pummeling, he hasn't laid a glove on major elements of the case for conspiracy.
And, regrettably, it must be said that the most distinguishing characteristic of this book is its demagogic pugnacity. Bugliosi cleaves the world of opinion holders neatly in two - sensible Warren Commission loyalists and conscious evildoers, the "conspiracy theorists." He allows, however, for the occasional sincere dupe. Although his prosecutorial, conclusions-driven style is redolent of Gerald Posner's in Case Closed, the last attorney-written book to defend the Warren Commission, Bugliosi's endless self-congratulation and his arrogant condescension make his book far more insufferable
http://www.ctka.net/bug_aguilar.html |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| it seems his premise for this ridiculous thread might have it's orgins from: Reclaiming History: |
Or it could be that more than just one person believes conspiracy theorists are contributing to the corrosive cynicism and negativity in the political world. |
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