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Masta_Don

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Mary Pickford...
This picture is good, I'm turned on buy it. The photography is modern in technique, the clothes and hair styles are older but not overwhelming. She looks like someone I would know now in 2007.
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The 80's haircut makes me loose all wood. |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| the mom from "it's a wonderful life". |
Please tell me you mean Donna Reed and not Beulah Bondi. Please.
Maureen O'Hara (The Quiet Man). |
Donna Reed is hot.
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: |
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The 80's haircut makes me loose all wood. |
For me it's the simpering expression (not that I have wood to lose, per se.) Where's the va-va-voom?
Now, Clara Bow... there's a woman with a twinkle in her eye...
Doesn't she look like a bundle of fun?
Tragic life though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Bow |
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karma police

Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Location: all roads lead to where you are...
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Norma Jean
totally turned on...  |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Beautiful women from long ago - not turned on |
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Yeah, there's Marilyn. But once we've enter the 2nd half of the 20th century, the age of colour photography, pin-up calendars and Playboy centrefolds, we're no longer comparing apples to oranges (as we're supposed to on this thread) but comparing apples to apples. We're here to compare Paris Hilton to Mae West or Clara Bow, not Paris Hilton or Britney Spears to Marilyn Monroe.
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Hi - I've been trying to get turned on to women that lived before I was born and after portrait photography but its not happening. I don't think women became some how more beautiful than all of history all of a sudden, but I'm just not impressed with what I see. I can't get turned on from women in the 1800's or even the early 1900's. I saw a picture of an an actress named Veronica Lake, I think I liked her for awhile but other than that, not much.
Is the social conditioning that strong that I can't over come the power fashion? Or What? |
I don't think it's fashion. I think it's the quality of the source material. There are so many cues that say "ancient" and "unavailable" in the sepia-tones and grainy quality. I love Veronica Lake by the way-- a total fox. Perhaps some movies from that era would be better... |
First, sure, movies are much better for getting a sense of the woman behind the face & figure. With movement they lose that cold, stiff, staged, almost mannequin-like quality that often comes across in old B&W photographs like these.
You don't think fashion plays a big role in "turning off" males like the OP? I think it certainly does. Consciously or unconsciously, it distances us from these women and reminds us that was then & this is now. We're living in the porn-fed, Girls Gone Wild! 21st century, while these women in the B&W photos are wearing great-grandma's clothes. Hats! I wish more young women today wore hats. Not the droopy, floppy, hippy hats. Not the summery straw hats. And not the old-biddy Easter bonnets. I mean the smart, sharp, sophisticated, cosmopolitan type of hats that every self-respecting woman had three closet shelves full of up until the 1950s. That's what I want to see.
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Beautiful women from long ago - not turned on |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
Yeah, there's Marilyn. By once we've enter the 2nd half of the 20th century, the age of colour photography, pin-up calendars and Playboy centrefolds, we're no longer comparing apples to oranges (as we're supposed to on this thread) but comparing apples to apples. We're here to compare Paris Hilton to Mae West or Clara Bow, not Paris Hilton or Britney Spears to Marilyn Monroe.
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
Hi - I've been trying to get turned on to women that lived before I was born and after portrait photography but its not happening. I don't think women became some how more beautiful than all of history all of a sudden, but I'm just not impressed with what I see. I can't get turned on from women in the 1800's or even the early 1900's. I saw a picture of an an actress named Veronica Lake, I think I liked her for awhile but other than that, not much.
Is the social conditioning that strong that I can't over come the power fashion? Or What? |
I don't think it's fashion. I think it's the quality of the source material. There are so many cues that say "ancient" and "unavailable" in the sepia-tones and grainy quality. I love Veronica Lake by the way-- a total fox. Perhaps some movies from that era would be better... |
First, sure, movies are much better for getting a sense of the woman behind the face & figure. With movement they lose that cold, stiff, staged, almost mannequin-like quality that often comes across in old B&W photographs like these.
You don't think fashion plays a big role in "turning off" males like the OP? I think it certainly does. Consciously or unconsciously, it distances us from these women and reminds us that was then & this is now. We're living in the porn-fed, Girls Gone Wild! 21st century, while these women in the B&W photos are wearing great-grandma's clothes. Hats! I wish more young women today wore hats. Not the droopy, floppy, hippy hats. Not the summery straw hats. And not the old-biddy Easter bonnets. I mean the smart, sharp, sophisticated, cosmopolitan type of hats that every self-respecting woman had three closest shelves full of up until the 1950s. That's what I want to see. |
Ah! Guru's here! I heard you are the best in this area. Are we alone in this question? Has it been asked before? The answer we have here, is that the real answer? A beautiful young body is just that, but with trappings of fashion, does it confound the situation that much? I would tend to agree. My Mary Pickford picture has more of her and less fashion, maybe thats why I like it. One could photoshop much of the confounding extra stuff away, that might help. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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I like old movies, but I can't really see the appeal of either Lillian Gish or Mary Pickford in those pictures. They just look so devoid of personality. Lillian does look more personable, if not downright come-hitherish in this one
I think particularly when you're going that far back, movies would be better than mere pictures. A good movie will draw you into their world, whereas with a picture, it's very easy to let all the years that have passed since the photo was taken distance yourself from it
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andrew

Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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just4u
Joined: 30 May 2007 Location: Georgia, USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: just my two cents |
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I'm not trying to insult any woman in the old photographs so pls nobody jump on that bandwagon in reply to this post. But in a photograph, it's not just the physical beauty that comes thru, it's who u are...at least that's my opinion. Who u are and your life experiences can show in a photo like they would not in real life.
I don't know how to say this, but this is just my two cents. Women back then were expected to marry for child rearing purposes only, and many marriages were arranged. They weren't expected to let loose or like sex. Sex was a duty. It's hard to "look sexy" in a photo if u don't enjoy sex or just thinking about sex if you haven't had sex yet. I think the women are beautiful, but not sexy, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. I think a quality photo shows what u think about (if that makes any sense.) The women before 1950 aren't thinking about sex. They are thinking about farming and their children. I don't mean it as an insult. They look very "respectable" just not "sexy."
Ms. Monroe and her contemporaries were the first crop of women to change that. It shows in their photos and in who they were.
Just my two cents and pls no one take it as an insult. |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Beautiful women from long ago - not turned on |
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You don't think fashion plays a big role in "turning off" males like the OP? I think it certainly does. Consciously or unconsciously, it distances us from these women and reminds us that was then & this is now. We're living in the porn-fed, Girls Gone Wild! 21st century, while these women in the B&W photos are wearing great-grandma's clothes. Hats! I wish more young women today wore hats. Not the droopy, floppy, hippy hats. Not the summery straw hats. And not the old-biddy Easter bonnets. I mean the smart, sharp, sophisticated, cosmopolitan type of hats that every self-respecting woman had three closet shelves full of up until the 1950s. That's what I want to see. |
I think fashion could play a part, but the clothes survive and the women didn't. I suspect that part of being "turned on" is imagining yourself with that woman, which is hard to do when you're being reminded that she's either dust or in diapers. Helena Bonham Carter (among others) taught us that Edwardian can still mean nubile and horny.
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JustJohn

Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think in the really old ones it's the makeup that makes them look ugly. Notice that the couple pictures where they have less severe makeup the women are still attractive.
Anyway, my vote goes to Audrey Hepburn. QUITE the looker when she was young. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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It could have been the technology available that favored certain looks.
For example, in the days of black and white, male actors with brown eyes
were favored above say blue. Simply b/c blue looks wishy washy in black and white. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Here's one you can see posted-up in Korean coffee shops today. Audrey Hepburn:
It's who they all wanna be.... kind of a "dream face" for Korean women.
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Jean Harlow was considered very hot in her day, but they would have to upgrade the facial make-up work quite a bit for her to compete with stars of today. Then again, without artificial breast augmentation, many of todays stars would have trouble competing with her body...
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Alyallen

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Call me crazy but wasn't Elizabeth Taylor an "It" girl back in the day?
I'm no guy, but is she not sultry, sexy and va va voom?
Sophia Loren wasn't a bad looking woman either...
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