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You know that this is true, but instead of acknowledging it, you hide behind the ridiculous claim that people who don't believe you are "defending the government's lies" and "supporting the assassination of JFK by the government". Once again, just like the IMF thread, you've decided to dictate to the forum and the world how things are to be defined and interpreted. YOUR way.

You know what is the most noteworthy feature of all of your JFK and Watergate posts? You don't exhibit the SLIGHTEST bit of uncertainty in any of your conclusions. Despite the fact that any person knows that there are always ambiguities in photos, records, interviews, etc. - data of any kind - you are always absolutely certain you know the "correct" way to interpret the data, that your way of interpreting it is the only acceptable way of interpreting it. You think anybody who might look at this data and come to any other conclusion is a government conspirator. You can't even admit the possibility that more than one conclusion is possible.

That in itself, completely discredits you.

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[Funkdafied]

One thing is for sure, if Oswald even fired a shot he most certainly was not the only one. This is not even really up for debate any more.

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Well, folks, what can I say that I haven't already said. ** shrug **

[sundubuman]

you conspiracy kids might want to read Lee Harvey Oswald's bio...and see if you feel any sense of empathy...he was pretty fuc-ked in the head as well

Early life and Marine Corps service

Lee Harvey Oswald was born in New Orleans, Louisiana.[2] His father, Robert Edward Lee Oswald Sr., died shortly before he was born. His mother, Marguerite Claverie (1907�1981), largely raised Lee on her own along with two older siblings: his brother Robert and his half-brother, John Pic, Marguerite's son from a previous marriage. Oswald did have a step-father for several years, and his mother sent him to an orphanage for several years when she was too poor to take care of him and his brothers. The family was Lutheran. His mother is said to have doted on him to excess. She has also been characterized as domineering and emotionally volatile, however. Lee's youth was plagued by extreme mobility; before the age of 18 Oswald had lived in 22 different residences. Because of the short-lived stay in each location, he had attended 12 different schools, mostly around New Orleans and Dallas, but also in New York City.

As a child Oswald was withdrawn and temperamental.[3] After moving in with his half-brother (who had joined the US Coast Guard and was stationed in New York City), Oswald and Pic were asked to leave after an incident where Oswald allegedly threatened John Pic's wife with a knife, and struck his mother.[4] [5] Following charges of truancy, he was put under a three week court-ordered stay for psychiatric observation in a facility called 'Youth House'. Dr. Renatus Hartogs described Oswald as having a 'Vivid fantasy life, turning around the topics of omnipotence and power, through which he tries to compensate for his present shortcomings and frustrations,' and diagnosed the fourteen-year-old Oswald as having a 'personality pattern disturbance with schizoid features and passive-aggressive tendencies' and recommended continued psychiatric intervention.[6] Oswald's behavior at school appeared to improve in his last months in New York.[7][8] In January 1954, his mother Marguerite decided to return to New Orleans with Lee, which prevented Lee from receiving the care the psychiatrist had recommended.[9] There was still an open question pending before a New York judge whether or not he should be taken from the care of his mother to finish his schooling.[10]

Oswald left school after the ninth grade and never received a high school diploma. Throughout his life, he had trouble with spelling and writing coherently.[11] His letters, diary and other writings have led some to suggest he was dyslexic. Nonetheless he read voraciously and, as a result, occasionally asserted that he was better educated than those around him. Around the age of fifteen, he became an ardent Marxist solely from his private reading on the topic. He wrote in his diary, "I was looking for a key to my environment, and then I discovered socialist literature. I had to dig for my books in the back dusty shelves of libraries."[12] At 16 he wrote to the Socialist Party of America, stating that he was a Marxist who had been studying socialist principles for "well over fifteen months," and asked for information about their youth league.[13]

Even as a Marxist, Oswald wished to join the US Marine Corps. He idolized his older brother Robert and wore Robert's US Marine ring. This relationship seems to have transcended any ideological conflict for Oswald, and enlisting in the Marines may have also been a way to escape from his overbearing mother.[14] He enlisted in the US Marine Corps in October 1956, a week after his 17th birthday.[15]

While in the Marines, Oswald was trained in the use of the M-1 rifle. Following that training, he was tested in December of 1956, and obtained a score of 212, which was 2 points above the minimum for qualifications as a sharpshooter. In May 1959, on another range, Oswald scored 191, which was 1 point over the minimum for ranking as a marksman.[16]

Oswald however was trained primarily as a radar operator and assigned first to Marine Corps Air Station El Toro in Irvine, California,[17] then to Naval Air Facility Atsugi in Japan. Though Atsugi was a base for the U-2 spy planes that flew over the Soviet Union, there is no evidence Oswald was involved in that operation. Oswald's experience after joining with the Marine Corps was by all accounts unpleasant. Small and frail compared to the other Marines, he was nicknamed Ozzie Rabbit after a cartoon character. His shyness and Soviet sympathies alienated him from his fellow Marines. Ostracism only seemed to provoke him into being a stauncher, more outspoken communist. For his steadfast beliefs, his nickname ultimately became Oswaldskovich. The Marine had subscribed to The Worker and taught himself rudimentary Russian. Oswald was court-martialled twice: initially because of accidentally shooting himself in the elbow with an unauthorized handgun, and then later for starting a fight with a sergeant he thought responsible for the punishment he received from his first court-martial. He was demoted from private first class to private, and briefly served time in the brig. Later he was punished for yet another incident; while on sentry duty one night in the Philippines, he inexplicably fired his rifle into the jungle. By the end of his Marine career, Oswald was doing menial labor.

[sundubuman]

Oh...and then there was his exiting adventures in the Soviet Union...I am sure some of you can imagine yourselves fighting the evil American Empire in a similar way...

n October 1959, Oswald emigrated to the Soviet Union. He was nineteen, and the trip was planned well in advance. Along with having taught himself rudimentary Russian, he had saved $1,500 of his Marine Corps salary,[18] got an early "hardship" discharge by (falsely) claiming he needed to care for his injured mother,[19] got a passport, and submitted several fictional applications to foreign universities in order to obtain a student visa (and possibly help avoid Marine Corps reserve duty).

After spending only three days with his mother in Fort Worth, he departed by ship from New Orleans on September 20, 1959, for the Soviet Union, first arriving in France, then England and eventually Finland as part of a package tour.[20] When he arrived in the Soviet Union and showed up unexpectedly at the US Embassy in Moscow, he said he wanted to renounce his U.S. citizenship.[21][22] When the Navy Department learned of this, it changed Oswald's Marine Corps discharge from 'hardship/honorable' to 'undesirable.'[23]

Oswald told a reporter in Moscow, "For two years I've had it in my mind, don't form any attachments, because I knew I was going away. I was planning to divest myself of everything to do with the United States."[24] To another reporter he said, "I would not consider returning to the United States," and referred to the Soviet government as 'my government.'[25] His wish to remain in the Soviet Union was initially applauded by the Soviets, but although he had some technical knowledge acquired in the Marines they soon discovered he had little of real value to offer the Soviet Union and his application for Soviet residency was rejected.[26] In response, Oswald made a bloody but minor cut to his left wrist in his hotel room bathtub. After bandaging his superficial injury, the cautious Soviets kept him under psychiatric observation at the Botkin Hospital.[27][28] Although this attempt may have been no more than an attention-getting ruse, the Soviet government feared an international incident if he were to attempt something similar again.
Marina Prusakova, Minsk 1959
Marina Prusakova, Minsk 1959

Against the advice of the KGB, Oswald was allowed to remain in the Soviet Union. Although he had wanted to remain in Moscow and attend Moscow University, he was sent to Minsk, located in modern-day Belarus. He was given a job as a metal lathe operator at the Gorizont (Horizon) Electronics Factory in Minsk, a huge facility that produced radios and televisions along with military and space electronic components. He was given a rent-subsidized, fully furnished studio apartment in a prestigious building under Gorizont's administration and in addition to his factory pay received monetary subsidies from the Russian Red Cross Society (a Soviet organisation entirely separate from the international medical aid organization). This represented an idyllic existence by Soviet-era working-class standards.[29] Oswald was under constant surveillance by the KGB during his thirty-month stay in Minsk.[30] Oswald gradually grew bored with the limited recreation available in Minsk.[31] He wrote in his diary in January 1961: 'I am starting to reconsider my desire about staying. The work is drab, the money I get has nowhere to be spent. No nightclubs or bowling alleys, no places of recreation except the trade union dances. I have had enough.' Shortly afterwards, Oswald opened negotiations with the U.S. Embassy in Moscow over his proposed return to the United States.

At a dance in early 1961 Oswald met Marina Prusakova, a troubled 19-year-old pharmacology student from a broken family in Leningrad now living with her aunt and uncle in Minsk. While later reports described her uncle as a colonel in the KGB or MVD, he was actually a lumber industry expert in the MVD with a bureaucratic rank equivalent to colonel. Lee and Marina married on April 30, 1961, less than six weeks after they met. Their first child, June, was born in February 1962.

After nearly a year of paperwork and waiting, on June 1, 1962 the young family left the Soviet Union for the United States. Even before November 22, 1963, Oswald enjoyed a small measure of national notoriety in the U.S. press as an American who had defected to the U.S.S.R. and returned.[32]