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spirit2110



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:28 pm    Post subject: Does this sound right - Public School OT pay? Reply with quote

I did a search on this topic, but couldn't find anything that was similar to what I am looking for.

Basically, I work at a public school so the standard "If employee's actual weekly class instruction hours exceed 22 hours, employee shall be entitled to a supplementary class instruction pay of 20,000 won per hour" applies.

However, the way the school looks at OT is as follows: I would be teaching some after school program and be paid 20,000 won per day on M, T, TH, and Friday for what they consider 1 "teaching hour" (3:10 to 4:00 pm). Then on Wednesday, the after school instruction would last from 2:10 to 4:00 and I would be paid 40,000 won (for 2 "teaching hours"). All of this, of course, would be optional.

Does this sound like a legit deal if I were to take it? The OT pay seems to be a bit low to me but I have read that typically public schools do pay between 20,000-25,000 won so I would make the bare min. I wonder though if it is worth negotiating, or would it be best to pass altogther.

Thanks in advance!
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icnelly



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Does this sound right - Public School OT pay? Reply with quote

spirit2110 wrote:
I did a search on this topic, but couldn't find anything that was similar to what I am looking for.

Basically, I work at a public school so the standard "If employee's actual weekly class instruction hours exceed 22 hours, employee shall be entitled to a supplementary class instruction pay of 20,000 won per hour" applies.

However, the way the school looks at OT is as follows: I would be teaching some after school program and be paid 20,000 won per day on M, T, TH, and Friday for what they consider 1 "teaching hour" (3:10 to 4:00 pm). Then on Wednesday, the after school instruction would last from 2:10 to 4:00 and I would be paid 40,000 won (for 2 "teaching hours"). All of this, of course, would be optional.

Does this sound like a legit deal if I were to take it? The OT pay seems to be a bit low to me but I have read that typically public schools do pay between 20,000-25,000 won so I would make the bare min. I wonder though if it is worth negotiating, or would it be best to pass altogther.

Thanks in advance!


most likely those after school classes are being paid for by the parents, so pass on the 20,000. If you do choose to do it, get the money that is coming in. I know a few foreign teachers that recieved all of the tuition less taxes, so it's up to you if you want to take 20k, or split the tuition (the other half/25 % is going in somone's pocket or a slush fund), or try and get the full deal.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is a bit off-topic, but how much do u think parents pay for 1 student per class hour (approx.)?
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spirit2110



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I think I may pass - it just sounds like there will be drama down the road and I really want to avoid as much of that as possible. What would really suck is if I said, "why not" and agreed to something like this with my reservations and then later found myself wishing I hadn't.

My principle said several times, "if you want, if you want" in regards to this so I will just say No.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad-ish wrote:
this is a bit off-topic, but how much do u think parents pay for 1 student per class hour (approx.)?


Ha. I don't know. But, a helllava lot more than 20,000 won I am sure!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It also sounds like they are setting up to gig you if you don't teach all of your normal 22 hours... For example, if you had 3 classes canceled one week (or one day was a national holiday) then they wouldn't pay you for 3 (or more) of your overtime hours because you didn't actually teach more than 22 hours... Unless they are guaranteeing to pay you for all the after-school classes regardless of how many other classes you teach in a week, give this a pass... Also, I wouldn't do it for less that 30,000 won (maybe 25,00 won if you know where the other money is going.)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jellobean wrote:
It also sounds like they are setting up to gig you if you don't teach all of your normal 22 hours... For example, if you had 3 classes canceled one week (or one day was a national holiday) then they wouldn't pay you for 3 (or more) of your overtime hours because you didn't actually teach more than 22 hours... Unless they are guaranteeing to pay you for all the after-school classes regardless of how many other classes you teach in a week, give this a pass... Also, I wouldn't do it for less that 30,000 won (maybe 25,00 won if you know where the other money is going.)


EXCELLENT point
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a teacher who was getting 20,000 per student in his after school classes, and I know a teacher who is getting 10,000 per student (the school gets none of this; it all goes to the teacher).

So I would say that's a decent range.

BUT, 20,000 is better of course. Laughing

for 20,000 a student, and if you have a full class a week, you're looking at a decent extra chunk of change come payday.

EDIT: That was 20,000 per student a month, and they had one class a week.


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spirit2110



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

icnelly wrote:
I know a teacher who was getting 20,000 per student in his after school classes, and I know a teacher who is getting 10,000 per student (the school gets none of this; it all goes to the teacher).

So I would say that's a decent range.

BUT, 20,000 is better of course. Laughing

for 20,000 a student, and if you have a full class 2X a week, you're looking at a decent extra chunk of change come payday.


The bad thing about this is if you lose a student for any reason, there goes your paycheck. My principle is only offering 20,000 per teaching hour though and I am not so sure its worth it.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spirit2110 wrote:
icnelly wrote:
I know a teacher who was getting 20,000 per student in his after school classes, and I know a teacher who is getting 10,000 per student (the school gets none of this; it all goes to the teacher).

So I would say that's a decent range.

BUT, 20,000 is better of course. Laughing

for 20,000 a student, and if you have a full class 2X a week, you're looking at a decent extra chunk of change come payday.


The bad thing about this is if you lose a student for any reason, there goes your paycheck. My principle is only offering 20,000 per teaching hour though and I am not so sure its worth it.


Right, that's where your the admin's policy comes in. Do they pay before, after, etc.


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marlow



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer 30,000 to 45,000 per class instead of student numbers based fees. And no losing hours because of regular schedule changes, because that sucks.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

icnelly wrote:
spirit2110 wrote:
icnelly wrote:
I know a teacher who was getting 20,000 per student in his after school classes, and I know a teacher who is getting 10,000 per student (the school gets none of this; it all goes to the teacher).

So I would say that's a decent range.

BUT, 20,000 is better of course. Laughing

for 20,000 a student, and if you have a full class 2X a week, you're looking at a decent extra chunk of change come payday.


The bad thing about this is if you lose a student for any reason, there goes your paycheck. My principle is only offering 20,000 per teaching hour though and I am not so sure its worth it.


Right, that's where your the admin's policy comes in. Do they pay before, after, etc.


Don't take this as bragging. I am Level 1+ with EPIK. I get 30,000 won/ 45 minute class for OT. The student's parents each pay 30,000 won for a class of 20 sessions. So that means it only cost 1 parent 30,000 won for 20 classes. I get all this money minus taxes. If you are level 3 or have no experience 20,000 is Okay, but if you have experience, I would ask for 25-30 k. It takes a lot of time to do these classes and often (as in my case,) there is no co-teacher. It really adds a lot of stress to your life if you are not used to it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if you're Gepik or not, but 20,000 is the official rate for ot and you're not entitled to a penny more whether or not the parents are paying for the classes.

Check your contract anyway before posting here as it will have a section dealing with ot pay anyhow. Whatever your contract states as the going rate is all you can get, simple really, sorry if that comes accross as caustic.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

venus wrote:
Not sure if you're Gepik or not, but 20,000 is the official rate for ot and you're not entitled to a penny more whether or not the parents are paying for the classes.

Check your contract anyway before posting here as it will have a section dealing with ot pay anyhow. Whatever your contract states as the going rate is all you can get, simple really, sorry if that comes accross as caustic.


Not caustic at all, just missing the point - 20,000 is what it says in my contract but that doesn't necessarily mean it is a great deal, esp when considering what someone else already posted about the increased stress level, no co-teacher, etc, etc... Plus, I am not even with GEPIK.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

venus wrote:
Not sure if you're Gepik or not, but 20,000 is the official rate for ot and you're not entitled to a penny more whether or not the parents are paying for the classes.

Check your contract anyway before posting here as it will have a section dealing with ot pay anyhow. Whatever your contract states as the going rate is all you can get, simple really, sorry if that comes accross as caustic.


Venus, Check the post above yours: so obviously it's not that simple. Many many PS teachers have various situations of pay for afterschool classes.

OP, your boss said, "if you want", so you have the room to negotiate: might as well check and see what the plans are before saying, "No." cuz you could be passing up alot of money, or rightly passing up the headaches of getting ripped off and fucked over.

Edit: Kimchieluver, 30,000 for 20 classes?? Did I miss something in your post? Here's the situation: Teacher has 40 students in his afterschool classes. He gets paid 20,000 per students per month, and has 2 afterschool classes a week. So for 8 extra classes a month, he makes an extra 1.6 mil minus tax.
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