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sundubuman
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: |
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and then he even tried to snuff out the life of the head of the John Birch society,
General Edwin Walker was an outspoken anti-communist, segregationist and member of the John Birch Society who had been commanding officer of the Army's 24th Infantry Division based in West Germany under NATO supreme command until he was relieved of his command in 1961 by JFK for distributing right-wing literature to his troops. Walker resigned from the service and returned to his native Texas.
Walker ran in the six-person Democratic gubernatorial primary in 1962 but lost to John Connally, who went on to win the race. Walker became involved in the movement to resist the use of federal troops for securing racial integration at the University of Mississippi, resistance that led to a riot on October 1, 1962 in which two people were killed. He was arrested for insurrection, seditious conspiracy, and other charges. But a federal grand jury declined to indict Walker, and the charges were dropped on January 21, 1963.
Oswald considered Walker a "fascist" and the leader of a 'fascist organization.'[45] Five days after the front page news that Walker's charges had been dropped,[46] Oswald ordered a revolver by mail, using the alias "A.J. Hidell,"[47] and began talking about sending Marina and their daughter back to Russia.
In February 1963 the general was making news with an evangelist partner in an anti-Communist tour called Operation Midnight Ride. In a speech Walker made on March 5, reported in the Dallas Times Herald, he called on the United States military to 'liquidate the scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba.' Seven days later, Oswald ordered by mail a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, using the alias "A. Hidell."[48]
While Walker was on tour, Oswald surveilled Walker's home on the weekend of March 9�10,[49] taking pictures of the house and nearby railroad tracks[50] which were later found among Oswald's belongings at the Paine home when they were searched after the Kennedy assassination (these photos were later matched to the same camera Marina used to take the backyard photos).[51] Though he did not leave specifics of his plans in writing, Oswald did leave a note in Russian for Marina with instructions for her to follow � should he be jailed in Dallas, or otherwise disappear.[52]
Oswald attempted the assassination on April 10, 1963. Walker was sitting at a desk in his dining room working on his federal income tax returns when Oswald fired at him from less than one hundred feet (30 m) away. Walker survived only because the bullet struck the wooden frame of the window, which deflected its path, but was injured in the forearm by bullet fragments.
The Dallas police had no suspects in the Walker shooting.[53] Oswald's involvement was not suspected until the note for Marina and some of the photos of Walker's house were found following the assassination of JFK, after which Marina Oswald told authorities about Oswald's attempt on Walker's life, which Oswald had told her about after the fact.[54] The bullet was too badly damaged to run conclusive ballistics studies on it, though neutron activation tests later showed that it was 'extremely likely' that the Walker bullet was from the same cartridge manufacturer and for the same rifle make as the two bullets which later struck Kennedy.[55] |
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sundubuman
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: |
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But why read the history, just watch a Hollywood movie. An arch-communist leftie American assassinates a (leftist) President because of his staunch opposition to Communism..
Yet the leftie delusional idiots see it all as the central meme of the right wing conspiracy.
Cause they saw it in a movie.
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Manner of Speaking

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Stephen Colbert coined the term truthiness, defined as "the quality by which one purports to know something emotionally or instinctively, without regard to evidence or intellectual examination." It delineates the difference between those who think with their head and those who "know with their heart."
In my opinion, some people demonstrate truthiness when it comes to addressing the veracity of conspiracy theories. I may not be phrasing this very well, but it seems as if some are confusing the political and civil right of 'freedom of thought', and are somehow equating it with 'freedom from being wrong'. It's almost as if they assume, "I have the right to my opinion, and I have the right to keep my opinions, even if they conflict with physical laws and the structure of the physical universe."
Let's assume that a large percentage of the general public believe that there is a conspiracy taking place in their government. After careful examination, they discover:
1. they have taken a closer look at both sides and come to the conclusion that the conspiracy theory has little evidence to support it;
2. looked at the 65%, their opinions, why they hold those opinions, and conclude that the opinions of the 65% are a reasonable interpretation of the evidence;
3. are willing to accept they are wrong because everything (all the evidence) is telling them they are wrong; and;
4. have determined that they are being intellectually honest.
What is the responsible thing to do next? As loose_ends said:
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| the wise thing to do is move on....accept that the theory is wrong. |
A metaphor I like to use is that of a sword. So you are the small guy, you don't like big government or being made to feel helpless by organizations that are screwing the world. And you are just one person. What do you do? What do you do when the bad guy's swords and weapons are much bigger and more powerful than yours? The answer, is to sharpen your smaller sword into a razor. Get really good at analysis, argumentation, fact-checking, choosing your battles, know your subject. FOCUS. And don't get sidetracked by other people's delusions.
Pluto (not the philosopher - though he may well be a philosopher, I don't know) pointed out:
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| Some of the people on the board really give the US government, and the CIA in particular, way too much credit. The problem with JFK and 9/11 conspiracy theories is that way too many people have kept quiet. Not one person from such elaborate schemes have spoken. On top of that, the US government can't simply not know what is going on all the time. You've really got to think about how competent people in government are. I mean take Rummy for example. While he made a hell of a bureaucrat, he wasn't the best defence secretary. Point is, the people carrying on about big government conspiricies forget that people in government are human also, and they are certainly not perfect nor omniscient for that matter. |
While conspiracy theorists attempt to raise doubts about the generally-accepted explanation of an historical event, the advocates of these theories generally try to avoid providing a coherent and testable alternative hypothesis to explain the events in question. In other words, they like to blow smoke and raise doubts, but don't provide substitute explanations that are testable. And the advocates of these theories seem to exhibit a preference for the novel and the bizarre. It's as though the real world is not interesting enough, so it's fun to contemplate the the bizarre explanations and pretend this is how things really work.
Ernie raised a good point, however, about separating the Kennedy assassination as an historical event distinct from other conspiracy explanations of historical events, in that there are a lot of issues related to forensic data and how it is collected and interpreted. However, like explanations of the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, this seems to relate to methodological issues and interpretation of technical data, rather than the necessity of explanation-via-conspiracy. There is probably a lot of contradictory forensic data relating to the events of that day, but that goes to issues of how well advanced Forensic Science was in 1963, and how well such data was collected and interpreted.
I'm sure that when it comes to methodology, Forensic Science and Civil Engineering have a lot of open questions and sometimes exhibit characteristics of being an art more than a science. But we need not resort to conspiracies to address those open questions. In fact, being preoccupied with the details of the JFK assassination doesn't help you, and probably distracts people, from careful analysis of contemporary politics. It was, after all, almost 50 years ago.
In fact, it's hazardous (from an analytical viewpoint) to do so. As JFO pointed out:
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The problem with many conspiracy theorists is they have supplied themselves with a get out clause in their own arguments. Any lack of evidence or contradictory evidence is evidence of a 'framejob'. Therefore they cannot be proved wrong. Anyone with a scientific viewpoint can immediately see the problem with this. Any theory must be falsifiable, otherwise it is just faith or belief.
Another problem is the quality of the evidence. Again anyone with a scientific viewpoint knows witness/anecdotal evidence is not solid evidence. Anomaly hunting is not good evidence. Alot of conspiracy theorists hunt for anomalies and then build a case around them. This is not scientific. I'm stressing scientific, because the best way to find the truth(or as close as we can get) is through the scientific method. If this is applied to most conspiracy theories we would be better off.
Firstly a conspiracy theory should be looked at in terms of probability. If your conspiracy theory involves thousands of people, then it is extremely unlikey that the truth would not come out in a verifiable form. Bill Clinton had an affair and he couldn't keep it secret. Same for Watergate. It is in the media's interest to find these things out. Something involving thousands is extremely likely to come out. How many people knew about Watergate, it wasn't thousands of people.
Now the counter argument to this is that the conspirators are scared so they won't talk or they are killed. This is another get out clause. And the lie is shown by the above examples. Stories such as the JFK assassination would make someones career is they could verify it. |
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Manner of Speaking

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: |
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On another thread, I responded to JMO's comment with:
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| Case in point, the Watergate conspiracy. Watergate WAS a conspiracy, by a small number of people, to commit illegal acts; it was found out through good investigative journalism. There was a public inquiry and most of the participants were brought to trial. If "the government" could get away with assassinating Kennedy, why couldn't "the government" get away with Watergate? |
And I was told:
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Case in point, the Watergate conspiracy. Watergate WAS a conspiracy, by a small number of people, to commit illegal acts; it was found out through good investigative journalism. There was a public inquiry and most of the participants were brought to trial. If "the government" could get away with assassinating Kennedy, why couldn't "the government" get away with Watergate? |
Once again , you know nothing about the topic you are talking about, MOS , since you seem to have no clue as to what Watergate was really about. |
When I responded:
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| I said Watergate was a conspiracy, by a small number of people, to commit illegal acts, it was found out through good investigative journalism. There was a public inquiry and most of the participants were brought to trial. I know this because I watched the Watergate hearings on TV and followed it in the press at the time. Where is my statement wrong? |
I was told:
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| Believe it or not Richard Nixon was in Dallas on Nov. 22nd. Was he really there for his stated purpose � a PepsiCo convention (Nixon was Pepsi's chief lawyer at the time)? Or could his presence have been some sort of signal to his friends in the Mob and the CIA and among the Cuban exiles � the eventual chief suspects of JFK assassination conspiracy theorists? Chicago Mob boss Sam Giancana proudly told relatives that � as the mastermind of the JFK assassination plot � he was also in Dallas at the time. He claimed he and Nixon had a pre-assassination meeting there to discuss the plot. |
...who quoted liberally from Crime Magazine. His source, not mine.
Notice also the pattern in the above paragraph? Raising plausibilities? Anomaly hunting, as JMO described above?
"Anomaly hunting is not good evidence. A lot of conspiracy theorists hunt for anomalies and then build a case around them. This is not scientific. I'm stressing scientific, because the best way to find the truth(or as close as we can get) is through the scientific method. If this is applied to most conspiracy theories we would be better off."
Gopher said the same thing:
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| Conspiracy theorists never, not ever, offer any solid, direct evidence to support their wild allegations. They offer mere plausibility. No more no less. Their discourse is garbage; their motives transparent. |
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Manner of Speaking

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: |
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Next, I get accused of being angy and hostile, and for having "issues":
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Look at the anger is MOS above post~~over me writing a polite post about using the correct term for the Asian Crisis of 1997. MOS went on and on about what I did and then suggests "You even believe - as you said in another thread - that Lee Harvey Oswald, who was shot and killed in Texas in 1963, had something to do with the IMF crisis in Korea in 1997. "
This guy has got issues folks. |
I'M angry??? I've got issues???
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WHAT IN THE HELL ARE THE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS DOING STANDING AROUND TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS. NO, THEIR THUMBS ARE UP THEIR ASS!
SHOTS HAVE BEEN FIRED.
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO AT THIS POINT MOVE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT.
JOHNSONS MEN ARE.
GET REAL AND GET TO THAT POINT
THERE IS NO *beep* EXCUSE FOR WHAT THEY DID
QUIT DEFENDING THEM
IT DOESNT MATTER IF THIS IS OSWALD. STOP FOCUSING ON THAT ISSUE FOCUS ON WHAT THE SECRET SERVICE DID AT THAT POINT.
THE ANSWER IS THEY KNEW SHOTS WERE FIRED AS SEEN BY THEIR ACTION YET THEY DID NOT MOVE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT!
THEY HAD AN ETERNITY ( EIGHT SECONDS) TO MOVE AND PROTECT THE PRESIDENT
OF COURSE. THAT WAS NOT THEIR JOB FUCTION THAT DAY.
THEIR JOB WAS TO ENABLE THE KILLING OF THE PRESIDENT.
IF THERE IS ONE WEAK PIECE OF EVIDENCE YOU LOSERS FOCUS ON IT AND BELIEVE THE CASE HAS FALLEN APART. THE FACT IS THERE ARE A THOUSAND PIECES OF EVIDENCE THAT BLOW THE OFFICIAL CASE OUT OF THE WATER YET YOU CONTINUE YOUR IDIOTIC CRUSADE TO DEFEND THE MURDERERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
YOU CALL US FREAKS YOU PEA BRAIN.
LOOK AT WHAT THE REST OF THIS PICTURE IS SAYING.
THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS RUN TO MCADAMS AND GET HIS PATHETIC SPIN ON THE EVIDENCE UNCOVERED.
THE MAN IN THE DOOR IS PART OF THIS PICTURE. IT DOES NOT MAKE OR BREAK THIS CASE.
QUIT FOCUSING ON THE WEAK POINTS OF WHAT HAS BEEN EXPOSED AND ADMIT WHAT HAS BEEN EXPOSED.
NO ONE SAID THE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS ARE LOOKING AT THE MAN IN THE DOORWAY.
YOU SEE. YOU DO NOT PAY ATTENTION AND YOU LOOK AT THIS THING NOT WITH ROSE COLORED GLASSES, BUT WITH NO VISION AT ALL.
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING. WHO IS IN THAT DOOR DOESNT MATTER.
NOW START FOCUSING ON WHAT THE SECRET SERVICE DIDNT DO WHEN THE SHOTS RANG OUT.
THE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS ARE REACTING TO THE SOUND OF A SHOT. AND DID I HEAR THAT YOU ACTUALLY BUY INTO THE "IT SOUNDED LIKE A BACKFIRE OR A FIRECRACKER" !
GOOD GOD MAN. THESE ARE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS WHOSE SOLE FUNCTION OF EXISTANCE IS TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT. THEY DONT DISMISS LOUD NOISES AS FIRECRACKERS AND BACKFIRES.
UNBELIEVABLE YOU BUY INTO THE SPIN
HOOK LINE AND SINKER.
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| YOUR KIND IS A DYING BREED AND THERE IS ONE THING I AM SURE ABOUT. YOU WONT BE CALLING US NAMES VERY LONG |
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regicide
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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But why read the history, just watch a Hollywood movie. An arch-communist leftie American assassinates a (leftist) President because of his staunch opposition to Communism..
Yet the leftie delusional idiots see it all as the central meme of the right wing conspiracy.
Cause they saw it in a movie.
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you conspiracy kids might want to read Lee Harvey Oswald's bio...and see if you feel any sense of empathy...he was pretty fuc-ked in the head as well
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And we are suppposed to believe this nonsense?
Oswald's girlfriend is alive and knows the real story. I choose to believe her over the government that framed Oswald. The source of your slanderous material is trash.
DVD Judyth Baker interview now available
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/buy.htm
This is the previously unknown story of Judyth Vary Baker, who fell in love with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans during the summer of 1963. If you can't deal with the idea that Lee Oswald was not the assassin of President Kennedy, this story is not for you. However, if you want to learn the true legacy of this man, this DVD is a must see.
You will learn that Lee was the total opposite of what the U.S. govermnent and mainstream media have brainwashed the public with. You will also learn about a highly secret CIA plot to kill Fidel Castro with a cancer causing virus. You will learn about the underground cancer laboratories in New Orleans; you will learn why Oswald went to Mexico City. You will learn why he was seen in the presence of Clay Shaw (portrayed by Tommy Lee Jones in the movie JFK), David Ferrie (Joe Pesci) and Guy Banister (Ed Asner). You will understand why Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner) was not able to convict Clay Shaw in his famous trial to identify the real killers of JFK. You will even learn of a probable explanation for the epidemic of soft tissue cancers in America today, and possibly AIDS.
You will learn why the cancer plot had to be kept a secret, perhaps even more so than the Kennedy assassination. Judyth's oral history is a brave attempt to bring justice to her former lover and the truth of the Kennedy conspiracy. It is an account of government lies, cover-up, black ops, deception, subterfuge, murder, secrecy and media control of the public perception. In short, it will turn upside down everything you believed about Lee Harvey Oswald and the Kennedy assassination.
The man was a low level government agent with a pretty russian wife, a cute girlfriend on the side, a fat expense account and an adventurous life.
What did he get for devoting his life to his country? A bullet in the gut.
Science whiz and Lee Oswald's girlfriend, Judy Vary circa 1962.
Here you see Lee in his undershirt, beaten and cut. No doctor examined him. No lawyer came forward to assist him, even though he was charged before a judge in two separate hearings with two separate murders - that of a police officer, and of the President. He asked for a lawyer. No lawyer was supplied. His words were not recorded: we must rely on the reports of those who interrogated him, and their reports did not always match. Lee Oswald has been the ONLY accused assassin who EVER DENIED the deed. Lee said, "I didn't shoot anyone,"' and he also cried out,"I am a patsy!" Two days after his arrest, he was shot down in the presence of over 70 police officers by the gangster Jack Ruby, a local nightclub owner and bagman for Godfather Carlos Marcello. I've painted a portrait of Lee. It doesn't resemble the beaten prisoner. It reveals the man I knew. I've painted a very different portrait, indeed. Similarly, my many life experiences influence the way I look at the world, I have lived in the cities I have painted. The paintings I create from such experiences aren't the usual. They are a bit beyond the ordinary. |
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regicide
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't give a rat's ass what the CIA did or didn't do. The point is you are not in any way professionally trained or qualified to interpret these photographs - by your own admission - in any meaningful manner. So anything you say about them is going to be bull *beep*. You start with bull *beep*, you're going to end up with bull *beep*, no matter how hard you 'work' the material. |
So how honestly did Ford serve us, the America People, on the Warren Commission, the �blue ribbon commission� set up to investigate the assassination of President Kennedy?
He was worse than Arlen Specter, who concocted the ridiculous �magic bullet� scenario that said seven wounds in two people were caused by a single (and nearly pristine) bullet.
Ford went even further. He personally falsified the record. His act was exposed in files released by the Assassination Records Review Board, a body constituted under the JFK Act, passed in the wake of public outcry from people who had seen Oliver Stone�s powerful film JFK. Here�s a snippet from the original AP story of 7-2-97:
Thirty-three years ago, Gerald R. Ford took pen in hand and changed -- ever so slightly -- the Warren Commission's key sentence on the place where a bullet entered John F. Kennedy's body when he was killed in Dallas.
The effect of Ford's change was to strengthen the commission's conclusion that a single bullet passed through Kennedy and severely wounded Texas Gov. John Connally -- a crucial element in its finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole gunman.
A small change, said Ford on Wednesday when it came to light, one intended to clarify meaning, not alter history.
''My changes had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory,'' he said in a telephone interview from Beaver Creek, Colo. ''My changes were only an attempt to be more precise.''
Here is the critical passage, from the altered document itself. Ford�s inserts are in bold:
A bullet had entered his the back of his neck....
Ford�s change clearly distorted where the bullet had entered. The obvious purpose, Ford�s protestations to the otherwise, is clear: this change was necessary to support the �single bullet theory.� Oswald was supposed to have shot Kennedy in the back from a height. A bullet in Kennedy�s back could not exit the neck except at an upward angle, which would rule out anyone shooting from Oswald�s alleged position.
Here are the clothes Kennedy was wearing, taken from the Warren Commission�s exhibits. The bullet holes are clearly visible in the first, and clearly indicated in the second. See for yourself how dishonest Ford�s change was:
Ford�s big lie allowed Americans to believe that the appropriate criminal had been apprehended, that all was well in their country, when the truth was that our vote had been stolen. A man we elected had been removed by private coup. (An aide to President Lyndon B. Johnson reported to the FBI that LBJ suspected the CIA was behind the plot. See �LBJ Reportedly Suspected CIA Link in JFK's Death,� Washington Post, December 13, 1977.)
Why do I say Ford lied? Couldn�t Ford have been naive enough to believe what he had been told? I think the answer to that lies in an outburst Ford made in 1974, a shocking statement that the press either missed the implications of or deliberately twisted to suit a more palatable explanation. To explain Ford�s statement, and the significance thereof, we have to first wend our way through the Watergate era.
The real story of Watergate has never been fully told, although in my opinion, Jim Hougan�s excellent book Secret Agenda comes closest. He opens by noting that E. Howard Hunt was, at the time of Watergate, on his third retirement from the CIA, implying, of course, that Hunt never really left the agency. (On a side note -� I find great irony in E. Howard Hunt being called a �plumber� because, as Richard Helms once described, the first step in coup plotting was �putting in the plumbing.� Hunt was ostensibly brought to the White House to plug leaks, hence the overt meaning of the term plumber. But I believe he was working under Helms� definition as well.)
http://realhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/2007/01/real-history-of-gerald-ford-watergate.html |
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Manner of Speaking

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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WHAT IN THE HELL ARE THE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS DOING STANDING AROUND TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS. NO, THEIR THUMBS ARE UP THEIR ASS!
SHOTS HAVE BEEN FIRED.
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO AT THIS POINT MOVE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT.
JOHNSONS MEN ARE.
GET REAL AND GET TO THAT POINT
THERE IS NO *beep* EXCUSE FOR WHAT THEY DID
QUIT DEFENDING THEM
IT DOESNT MATTER IF THIS IS OSWALD. STOP FOCUSING ON THAT ISSUE FOCUS ON WHAT THE SECRET SERVICE DID AT THAT POINT.
THE ANSWER IS THEY KNEW SHOTS WERE FIRED AS SEEN BY THEIR ACTION YET THEY DID NOT MOVE TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT!
THEY HAD AN ETERNITY ( EIGHT SECONDS) TO MOVE AND PROTECT THE PRESIDENT
OF COURSE. THAT WAS NOT THEIR JOB FUCTION THAT DAY.
THEIR JOB WAS TO ENABLE THE KILLING OF THE PRESIDENT.
IF THERE IS ONE WEAK PIECE OF EVIDENCE YOU LOSERS FOCUS ON IT AND BELIEVE THE CASE HAS FALLEN APART. THE FACT IS THERE ARE A THOUSAND PIECES OF EVIDENCE THAT BLOW THE OFFICIAL CASE OUT OF THE WATER YET YOU CONTINUE YOUR IDIOTIC CRUSADE TO DEFEND THE MURDERERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
YOU CALL US FREAKS YOU PEA BRAIN.
LOOK AT WHAT THE REST OF THIS PICTURE IS SAYING.
THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS RUN TO MCADAMS AND GET HIS PATHETIC SPIN ON THE EVIDENCE UNCOVERED.
THE MAN IN THE DOOR IS PART OF THIS PICTURE. IT DOES NOT MAKE OR BREAK THIS CASE.
QUIT FOCUSING ON THE WEAK POINTS OF WHAT HAS BEEN EXPOSED AND ADMIT WHAT HAS BEEN EXPOSED.
NO ONE SAID THE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS ARE LOOKING AT THE MAN IN THE DOORWAY.
YOU SEE. YOU DO NOT PAY ATTENTION AND YOU LOOK AT THIS THING NOT WITH ROSE COLORED GLASSES, BUT WITH NO VISION AT ALL.
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ONE THING. WHO IS IN THAT DOOR DOESNT MATTER.
NOW START FOCUSING ON WHAT THE SECRET SERVICE DIDNT DO WHEN THE SHOTS RANG OUT.
THE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS ARE REACTING TO THE SOUND OF A SHOT. AND DID I HEAR THAT YOU ACTUALLY BUY INTO THE "IT SOUNDED LIKE A BACKFIRE OR A FIRECRACKER" !
GOOD GOD MAN. THESE ARE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS WHOSE SOLE FUNCTION OF EXISTANCE IS TO PROTECT THE PRESIDENT. THEY DONT DISMISS LOUD NOISES AS FIRECRACKERS AND BACKFIRES.
UNBELIEVABLE YOU BUY INTO THE SPIN
HOOK LINE AND SINKER.
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| YOUR KIND IS A DYING BREED AND THERE IS ONE THING I AM SURE ABOUT. YOU WONT BE CALLING US NAMES VERY LONG |
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regicide
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Kennedy Assassination Anniversary News blackout |
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There seems to have been a significant amount of manipulation of physical evidence by conspiracy theorists concerning the JFK assassination over the years, not the least of which concerns the nature of the ballistics forensic evidence. For example, there is this graphic which purports to show the trajectory of the first bullet which struck Kennedy:
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Shame on you MOS for posting this outright distortion of the truth that you obtained from the McAdam's website.
The Warren Commission never firmly established which bullet allegedly "went through" Kennedy and then hit Connelly in several places on his body. So one can not say "the first bullet" as it has not been established. Incredibly , Connelly himself states that the first bullet fired did not hit him, but the Warren Commission ignored that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MTxMl7jUPo
More importantly, instead of using the true location of the entrance wound in Kennedy's back (approximately four inches below the shoulder),
McAdams and others arbitrarily raise it three inches in order to arrive at a trajectory consistent with the sixth-floor window. They also compute the angle of the wound as twenty-one degrees downward. This was nothing less than a blatant distortion of the medical evidence, which was an attempt prove that the bullet entered the president's back at a "slightly upward" angle.
The diagram stands as an accurate representation of the big lie called the Magic Bullet Theory.
The SBT is too ridiculous to even take seriously since you would have to believe that it is common for a bullet to do it's dirty work and end up unscathed.
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regicide
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| I just wanted to make the point that if you respond, the thread keeps going and the way we handled it over on the Education Forum was... |
Although you cannot see where this is heading because of your mental disadvantages, I can: the thread will not keep going. The mods will likely lock the thread sooner or later for degenerating into total nonsense. And then it will go away.
Wanna try me out on this, Regicide? |
Yes. And I did try you out on this. It is now a year later.
Is the thread locked big man?
Folks. Listen to this guy. Listen to his insanity. All that I wanted to do is write about something that I believe in in and want to discuss.
Do you believe in free speech Gopherman? |
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Funkdafied

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But why read the history, just watch a Hollywood movie. An arch-communist leftie American assassinates a (leftist) President because of his staunch opposition to Communism..
Yet the leftie delusional idiots see it all as the central meme of the right wing conspiracy.
Cause they saw it in a movie.
Fun. |
For it's not about a movie. I've been casually interested in this case my whole adult life. And I'm absolutely certain oswald was not the only one who fired shots that day. |
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regicide
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But why read the history, just watch a Hollywood movie. An arch-communist leftie American assassinates a (leftist) President because of his staunch opposition to Communism..
Yet the leftie delusional idiots see it all as the central meme of the right wing conspiracy.
Cause they saw it in a movie.
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For it's not about a movie. I've been casually interested in this case my whole adult life. And I'm absolutely certain oswald was not the only one who fired shots that day. |
Exactly. It's in the National Archives. All the evidence you need.
What am I talking about? The so called "magic bullet" of the long ago disproven single bullet theory. No one believes that anymore yet you have morons on this forum still defending it. I don't think most of them really believe it either-they just like to argue.
It's real easy. I will use the SIMPLE method for the morons here:
We were told to believe that this unused bullet passed through Kennedy's neck and then hit Connelly in several different places. Didn't happen and only a fool would believe such a thing.
A bullet fired from behind did hit the president in the back according the autopsy report but Ford admitted changing it from the back to the back of the neck to conform to the SBT.
End of story. The Warren Commission report and it's Single Bullet Theory nonsense is a nonstarter.
Now let's concentrate on what really happend. |
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bacasper

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| regicide wrote: |
End of story. The Warren Commission report and it's Single Bullet Theory nonsense is a nonstarter.
Now let's concentrate on what really happend. |
You have some patience, reg. How you continue to entertain those who want to bog you down in the minutiae of this case, and why, while scholars have gotten way beyond that point is beyond me. The only people who continue to argue for the LHO/SBT theory are dupes of the likes of The Nation's CIA asset Max Holland and his British clone, Mel Ayton.
For those really interested in why the actual events remain camouflaged, I refer you to my multipart series on another thread, "How the CIA Covers Up Its Role in the JFK Assassination."
For the details on what really happened, I recommend Joan Mellen's, A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's Assassination, And the Case That Should Have Changed History |
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regicide
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| bacasper wrote: |
| regicide wrote: |
End of story. The Warren Commission report and it's Single Bullet Theory nonsense is a nonstarter.
Now let's concentrate on what really happend. |
You have some patience, reg. How you continue to entertain those who want to bog you down in the minutiae of this case, and why, while scholars have gotten way beyond that point is beyond me. The only people who continue to argue for the LHO/SBT theory are dupes of the likes of The Nation's CIA asset Max Holland and his British clone, Mel Ayton.
For those really interested in why the actual events remain camouflaged, I refer you to my multipart series on another thread, "How the CIA Covers Up Its Role in the JFK Assassination."
For the details on what really happened, I recommend Joan Mellen's, A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's Assassination, And the Case That Should Have Changed History |
I do. But my patience has run out with these idiots. I remain amazed, however , that there can be people this stupid and closed minded. The following makes it all worthwhile:
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I'm going to have to back up Regicide on this one.
MOS is a douche. And anyone that has tried to side with him on this thread are also douches.
for the sake of this thread, a douche is someone who disregards logic in an attempt to explain a weak theory. it is also used to represent people that jump on the bandwagon. |
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| regicide wrote: |
The following makes it all worthwhile:
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I'm going to have to back up Regicide on this one.
MOS is a douche. And anyone that has tried to side with him on this thread are also douches.
for the sake of this thread, a douche is someone who disregards logic in an attempt to explain a weak theory. it is also used to represent people that jump on the bandwagon. |
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That was pretty eloquent of loose. Was that in this thread? |
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