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I've just been stung by the new E2 regs! Ouch!
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GerryTulip



Joined: 14 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:09 am    Post subject: I've just been stung by the new E2 regs! Ouch! Reply with quote

With my degree and transcripts safely in my future Hagwon owner's hands I have just been informed that additional documents will be required due to the new regulations coming into effect on December 15th. A police clearance form and certificate of health is all that is needed and there was no mention of an interiew at the local Korean consulate. They are going to send me some more information shortly.

So on a good note I don't think a face to face interview will be required, I am still unsure as to how much affect these new regulations will have on people already in Korea wishing to renew their contracts.


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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I can say is that these new regs are going to hurt schools. I am supposed to be re-siging next month. But, if I have to go all the way back to the states for a stupid criminal check, my school will have no one to teach my classes. Even if they replaced me this late in the game, they'd still have to wait for someone abroad to get these things together to come over here. Way to go immi! We all love you! Mad
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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, you should have never sent your orignal degree. Lots of newbies make that stupid mistake. The only place your degree should go is the consulate who will stamp your copies as official. You should only use those copies along with a stack of sealed transcripts.

The story they told you sounds real fishy to me. I'm willing to bet the owner speaking with you is lying. Call and speak with an immigration officer at the office who handles your hagwon's matters. Ask them and you'll see if the owner is telling the truth.
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GerryTulip



Joined: 14 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vicissitude wrote:
First of all, you should have never sent your orignal degree. Lots of newbies make that stupid mistake. The only place your degree should go is the consulate who will stamp your copies as official. You should only use those copies along with a stack of sealed transcripts.

The story they told you sounds real fishy to me. I'm willing to bet the owner speaking with you is lying. Call and speak with an immigration officer at the office who handles your hagwon's matters. Ask them and you'll see if the owner is telling the truth.


Its cool I have spoken to several current teachers, one of which has been there for three years. It seems like a good place and the boss seems genuine enough. haha I just know I'm gonna eat my words soon.

PS a replacement parchment only costs �20 here in UK so its not a huge risk with the degree
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the days are coming, my friends, when an anal swab will be the main qualification for a year of bingo.
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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GerryTulip wrote:
Vicissitude wrote:
First of all, you should have never sent your orignal degree. Lots of newbies make that stupid mistake. The only place your degree should go is the consulate who will stamp your copies as official. You should only use those copies along with a stack of sealed transcripts.

The story they told you sounds real fishy to me. I'm willing to bet the owner speaking with you is lying. Call and speak with an immigration officer at the office who handles your hagwon's matters. Ask them and you'll see if the owner is telling the truth.


Its cool I have spoken to several current teachers, one of which has been there for three years. It seems like a good place and the boss seems genuine enough. haha I just know I'm gonna eat my words soon.

PS a replacement parchment only costs �20 here in UK so its not a huge risk with the degree
Psst. current teachers lie for their hagwon bosses all the time. It happens more often than you think. It's when you finally arrive, that they spill all the beans about what really goes on.

This world is full of dishonest people.
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qwunk89



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vicissitude wrote:
First of all, you should have never sent your orignal degree. Lots of newbies make that stupid mistake. The only place your degree should go is the consulate who will stamp your copies as official. You should only use those copies along with a stack of sealed transcripts.

The story they told you sounds real fishy to me. I'm willing to bet the owner speaking with you is lying. Call and speak with an immigration officer at the office who handles your hagwon's matters. Ask them and you'll see if the owner is telling the truth.


unfortunately, korean consulates in the US stopped notarizing about a month ago. not sure why, guess they didn't want to be bothered anymore (doesn't make sense to me cause they were making money off of it). although, maybe they will start again with the new visa regs.
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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^and Thailand based Korean Consulates
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: I've just been stung by the new E2 regs! Ouch! Reply with quote

GerryTulip wrote:
With my degree and transcripts safely in my future Hagwon owner's hands I have just been informed that additional documents will be required due to the new regulations coming into effect on December 15th. A police clearance form and certificate of health is all that is needed and .....


A "police clearance form"? This sounds more like something you have to get from your local Korean National Police station rather than from your native country. Can you clarify that a little more? How about that "certificate of health" where and how do you obtain that? Do you have to pay for it? You shouldn't if you are already employed.

When you're finished I hope you'll share the process of obtaining those documents and experience.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After having my degree "lost" once between Bambini Education and Haanrecruit, I always tell every school that I will not work a single day until it is returned to me. I warned each school after that, once I sat in an office, missing 30 minutes of my first class, until my boss from one school returned it.

Interestingly, he didn't have it 30 minutes earlier, but it miraculously appeared after he realized that I wasn't going to budge.

Interesting being threatened to be fired on your first day, however, after telling him he was more than welcome to, as well as go without a teacher and have to go through all of the E2 crap again, he folded.
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GerryTulip



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will keep people updated when I am provided with more information. The police check isn't a problem, I have a friend in the police who has told me it will probably take a few days to a week or so here in the UK (depending on which type). Health check also not a real big issue but still a slight hassle. If I am required to travel to the Korean Consulate in London for a 20 minute interview with a round trip time of about 7 hours . . . then I will start to wonder if it will be worth it.
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blonde researcher



Joined: 16 Oct 2006
Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Korean embassy or consulate in the world is allowed to notarize any diploma or other official documents for use inside Korea now. This was officially stopped about 3 months ago.
Korea has signed the Hague Convention for international document authentication. The USA, Australia, NZ , UK Ireland And South Africa all are signatories to this convention as well. So are about 60 other countries
Canada is not a signatory

The new regulations for getting your diploma 'notarized' have DEFINITLY changed.
Now it is called getting an Apostille. You have to get the papers sighted and signed by a notary first ,then you have to send them to a specific government depatment in your own country for verification of the notary.
Every country has a slightly different process, but it is now much more expensive and much more time consuming.

The only time your papers go to a Korean embassy or consulate is the final stamping of your passport paperwork when you have your visa issuance number
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Vicissitude



Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blonde researcher wrote:
No Korean embassy or consulate in the world is allowed to notarize any diploma or other official documents for use inside Korea now. This was officially stopped about 3 months ago.
Korea has signed the Hague Convention for international document authentication. The USA, Australia, NZ , UK Ireland And South Africa all are signatories to this convention as well. So are about 60 other countries
Canada is not a signatory

The new regulations for getting your diploma 'notarized' have DEFINITLY changed.
Now it is called getting an Apostille. You have to get the papers sighted and signed by a notary first ,then you have to send them to a specific government depatment in your own country for verification of the notary.
Every country has a slightly different process, but it is now much more expensive and much more time consuming.

The only time your papers go to a Korean embassy or consulate is the final stamping of your passport paperwork when you have your visa issuance number
There should be a sticky about this.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,

Sorry you got burned. Hopefully they straighten out all the changes quickly and make it easy enough for teachers and schools to understand what is required. Unfortunately, many teachers may end up in your shoes and decide it's not worth it. I wouldn't blame them if they did.
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vicissitude wrote:
blonde researcher wrote:
No Korean embassy or consulate in the world is allowed to notarize any diploma or other official documents for use inside Korea now. This was officially stopped about 3 months ago.
Korea has signed the Hague Convention for international document authentication. The USA, Australia, NZ , UK Ireland And South Africa all are signatories to this convention as well. So are about 60 other countries
Canada is not a signatory

The new regulations for getting your diploma 'notarized' have DEFINITLY changed.
Now it is called getting an Apostille. You have to get the papers sighted and signed by a notary first ,then you have to send them to a specific government depatment in your own country for verification of the notary.
Every country has a slightly different process, but it is now much more expensive and much more time consuming.

The only time your papers go to a Korean embassy or consulate is the final stamping of your passport paperwork when you have your visa issuance number
There should be a sticky about this.
Blonde researcher is right. I looked at the Korean consular weboage today. I saw the site for the Korean consulate in NY and Atlanta. They no longer give degree certification stamps. First, the degree gets taken to a superior clerk of court for notarization. Then, you have to mail off your degree to the office for the secretary of state to get the apostille. That's $3 in Georgia. You also have to send a letter of intent stating the reason for your request...(getting an E2 in Korea). Then, when it is mailed back to you, you have to mail this or take it to the Korean consulate for their stamp of approval. Then your degree will be ready to give to your future employer/immi. Or, just give your original and forgo all this nonsense. And take a chance on some knucklehead losing your degree.
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