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Looks like the Korean media jumped the gun on visa waivers
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reasons for the wavering and implementing of the visa waiver program are well known by the powers to be in the U.S. government: a high number of koreans will not be returning to korean and will remain illegally in the U.S.
It is very easy to start the program and should not be taking the years to it has been taking to implement it�but�koreans are there own worst enemy in this case.
Let me ask you this�..
Would you want to spend the rest of your life in korea knowing there is a less stressful place elsewhere?
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

davai! wrote:
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200606/200606080030.html

Korean Prostitutes Threaten Visa Waiver

The U.S. Consul General to Seoul says Korean prostitutes who stay illegally in the U.S. are a major psychological barrier to a visa waiver for Korean visitors there.

Michael Kirby told reporters Thursday it does not help Korea�s efforts for a visa waiver if Korean women are uncovered every time there is a prostitution bust in the U.S. Kirby said apart from decreasing the percentage of visa refusals, Korea must also cooperate in a system of joint law enforcement and ensure that Americans have a good impression of Koreans.

It was the first time a U.S. Embassy official has tied Korean prostitutes to the visa waiver. This suggests Korea must deal with the problem even if it does manage to bring down its visa rejection rate to the required level of 3 percent.

Kirby said on one occasion last year 100 Korean women were arrested on prostitution charges in a single day in Los Angeles and San Francisco. Korean women were also held in Connecticut, New York and Huston this year, he said, with Korean women forming a bigger part of the prostitution problem in the U.S, than those of any other nationality during the last one to two years.

The consul said many of the women are smuggled into the U.S. via Canada or Mexico, and some of them enter the country on forged visas. Korean women pay between US$15,000 and 20,000 to traffickers and often see no option except prostitution to pay them off, he added.

Korea and the U.S. discussed the issue when the Foreign Ministry�s Director of Consular Affairs Bureau Lee Joon-gyu was in the U.S. recently.



That's one hell of a lot of prostitutes!

Why does Korea produce so many prostitutes? It would seem that since Korea has such a good economy, so many smart and educated people with a sparkling reputation to uphold, that they wouldn't have so many hookers going to the US to make money? What's wrong here?
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aarontendo



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering EXACTLY that. Korea ain't some poor country. I got really curious and asked my gf why they would want to be prostitutes there (no idea why I thought she'd know lol). She figured just to live in the U.S and it's lifestyle...gotta be more to it than that though right?

Hell I dunno though, after living here 20 plus years I might be willing to sell a piece of my ass to get out too!
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mateomiguel



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The major reason why Korea is not part of the visa waiver program already is the visa rejection rate. It should be that less than 3% of the people who apply for a visa to get into the US be rejected. This shows that there's not going to be a huge influx of desperate people if the US relaxes visa regulations.

Apparently Korea's rejection rate is somewhere around 6%.
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reactionary



Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3.5% according to the article.

also, wonder why this was moved to off topic. i'd say it's related to living in korea considering just a couple of months ago, a lot of my students were practically bragging that Korea was soon to be on the vwp
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whatever



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish the US would make it absolutely hard as hell for any Korean to step one foot in the country. Where the *beep* are your transcripts? I lost the first three...
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aarontendo wrote:
I was wondering EXACTLY that. Korea ain't some poor country. I got really curious and asked my gf why they would want to be prostitutes there (no idea why I thought she'd know lol). She figured just to live in the U.S and it's lifestyle...gotta be more to it than that though right?


I'll take a stab at this. I figure it's because many think it's easier and greener on the otherside. They also hear stories of some distant cousin doing well somewhere in the USA or Canada. But most of these stories are just exagerated 3rd or 4th hand stories of some distant relative's son or daughter. In reality, it isn't easy and on top of that they will need to know english. Most Korean immigrants in the US are running businesses like restaurants, laundermats, and corner stores, and working long days and are wondering why they left Korea in the first place.

Despite what Koreans believe and what alot of American TV shows portray, it's just as tough getting rich, in some foreign land, as it is in Korea and they will be thrown into a different culture and language.
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperFly wrote:
Why does Korea produce so many prostitutes? It would seem that since Korea has such a good economy, so many smart and educated people with a sparkling reputation to uphold, that they wouldn't have so many hookers going to the US to make money? What's wrong here?
aarontendo wrote:
She figured just to live in the U.S and it's lifestyle...!

Can't they just open up a dry cleaners or a supermarket like every other Korean in the US?
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my letters, I did mention the high rate of women coming to the US as prostitutes (go to the ICE homepage and read the article on it about the sting operation regarding the Korean prostitution ring that netted not only the prostitutes themselves, but some of the brokers) but I did mention the ill treatment foreigners get in Korea and constant discrimination that foreigners face either while looking for work or just living there.

I got a group of veterans together (most of whom had served in Korea) and some teachers that returned from working in Korea and told them about my proposal, which was welcomed with open arms. From August, 2006 to October of this year, we compiled alot of sources, ranging from articles in the news (not just Korean news sources, but also what we found in western sources as well) to messages from this website (Thanx Dave Wink), added them as references for our letters. We mail them to other members of the group to sign (a petition-type of signatories) and then they were all sent to a member who would send them off to their respective recipients.

In the meantime, me and several other members would meet up with people like Joe Liebermen, Joe Biden, Rosa Delauro, Joseph Hyden, and Charlie Rangel just to name a few. We would meet with them (they were always very cordial when speaking to veteran voters Wink ) and gave them copies of the letters we sent to their offices. Many times they would say things like "They are treating Americans like that over there?...." and I would usually give them the affirmative "Yes, Sir/ Ma'am" or they would give a grimmacing look before knodding their head. One official (not going to mention his name) even said that he thought the Koreans were a "thorn in his side" because of his encounters with Korean officials and pro-Korean lobbyists and was looking for an excuse to give a "no" vote in congress.

One friend of mine who had returned from Iraq and received a Bronze Star, even took a letter with him to show the congressional reps that were there for the ceremony.....

My point: Korea~ Never cut off the hand that helps you. Because sooner or later your actions will come back to haunt you.......
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

quote] Why does Korea produce so many prostitutes? quote]


Why? Because they are good at what they do! The best in the world I hear.
It�s not a bad thing.
Look at all the high falutin� yahoos, politicians, cops, doctors, teachers and on and on, who go to church on Sundays and condemn hookers and then visit them the same night!
It, prostitution, will never go away. It�s here to stay. And why? Many reasons, but many married men visit them also. Wife not satisfying him? Does not turn him on? Lost interest in her? Does not or won�t do the deed? No technique?
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard USA wants to get the % of illegal Koreans in USA down to some number. I can not remember the numbers quoted, but they were quite high.
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Lostone7



Joined: 08 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatever wrote:
I wish the US would make it absolutely hard as hell for any Korean to step one foot in the country. Where the *beep* are your transcripts? I lost the first three...


I almost pissed my pants lol Thanks Laughing
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Optimus Prime wrote:
Korea tightening visa regulations on us. Think this goes un-noticed by diplomats?

So, we tighten regs. Tit-for-tat.

Look for Canada, Australia, etc. to get tougher on Koreans trying to visit our home countries.

Koreans think they live in a vacuum, but news of things that happen here regarding foreigners gets out.


Bingo!


I wasn't minding the idea of new regulations so much, but certainly wondering about and hoping for some tit-for-tat actions as well.
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