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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Darfur "Rebels" Reject New Chinese "Peacekeepers" 
By Andrew Heavens
Sat Nov 24, 11:19 AM ET
KHARTOUM (Reuters) - Rebels on Saturday demanded Beijing pull its peacekeepers out of Darfur, just hours after a unit of Chinese army engineers flew into the Sudanese region.
More than 130 Chinese engineers arrived in south Darfur's capital Nyala on Saturday to " ... pave the way ... " for a 26,000-strong United Nations/African Union force in the region, where four years of conflict have killed up to 200,000 people.
But the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) said it would not allow the engineers onto land held by its forces. It accused Beijing of stoking the crisis by supporting Khartoum.
"They are not welcome ... They can never come into our area," JEM leader Khalil Ibrahim told Reuters.
"We oppose them coming because China is not interested in human rights. It is just interested in Sudan's resources. We are calling on them to quit Sudan, especially the petroleum areas."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071124/wl_nm/sudan_darfur_china_dc
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Good grief. We've got a Canadian who's smug about his country's supposed moral superiority and a closet neo-Marxist who believes that the Soviets did themselves in without so much as an assist by American foreign policy.
Then you've got another leftwing crackpot who insists that the Soviets were mainly responsible for the defeat of fascism in WWII. Never mind that they contributed next to nothing to the defeat of Japan or that the Allied invasion of North Africa, Italy, and France took away dozens of Nazi divisions from the Eastern Front, not to mention weaponry and other resources.
Now along comes Johnny Appleseed with his guitar twanging out some compeltely irrelevant tune.
I think I finally realize why gopher seems to have all but given up on responding on these boards.
Too bad keane and ddeubel haven't entered the fray so we could witness a complete Orwellian rewrite of America's role in the last century. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| My oh my. Look how many labels he used in that post. Might be a record. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm... Where are the neo-con Koolaid drinkers to tell us this is all perfectly acceptable?
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Joo, McGarret, and Jinju are cowering in their cubicles because for this subject they don't have a leg to stand on...  |
sorry what ought I say?
It is a seperate issue.
Doesn't mean the war on terror is wrong. |
How can you have a war on an adjective? Talk about your faceless enemy! |
War against Bathists , Khomeni lovers and Al Qaedists.
They are all enemies. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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Hmmm... Where are the neo-con Koolaid drinkers to tell us this is all perfectly acceptable?
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Joo, McGarret, and Jinju are cowering in their cubicles because for this subject they don't have a leg to stand on... |
sorry what ought I say?
It is a seperate issue.
Doesn't mean the war on terror is wrong. |
How can you have a war on an adjective? Talk about your faceless enemy! |
What Joo is having difficulty in coming to terms with even though he feels the war is justified, it is not a war that can be won. Even Bush/Cheney have said as much. It's a war of attrition for any country/ideology that America feels it wants to make an enemy for whatever reason. Usually this reason is some ridiculous idea that America can maintain it's hegemonic status by controlling the middle east, riding the world of islam, overthrowing regimes that it feels doesn't serves it's purposes etc etc etc.
It's status has been slipping for a few decades, they cannot win this war, and they cannot put off the inevitable. Even if this involves have space age weapons that can zap a monkey out of a tree. This kind of unilateral madness is only going to serve their enemies in the long run. Leaving America all on it's "onry". There is something to be said for "policing" the world but now they've lost a.direction and b. the plot. Who in their right minds is going to help them. Hegemonic powers only look out for one thing, themselves. Scr*w everyone else! |
If the US makes major progess on alternative energy The mideast will mean much less.
If oil prices are lower mideast regimes will be weaker and Al Qaeda and Hizzbollah will have less money.
Question can mideast regimes get the terrorists in their own nations? Of course they can. All the US needs to do is find a way to persuade them
As for Iran with the right weapons will deprive Iran the strategic advantage weapons.
It is not about policing the world it is forcing Bathists , the Khomeni followers and the Al Qaedists to quit their war.
A combination of strategies that weaken them, threaten them and hit them very hard will work.
It will be easier than the cold war. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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America did not "win" the cold war. You sat around and waited for the inevitable to happen. There was never any way for the Russians to "win" the cold war, it was impossible. But if you want to, you can sit round thinking that you did win it, that's fine, maybe sing some songs while you're at it and wave those little flags.
"History is written by the victors" You seem to have bought into this idea. Russia did more to win WWII than America, their intervention was more decisive. But you wouldn't have thought it with the "America's what won it" propaganda flying round. U571! Hilarious! |
If the US did not protect itself it would have been attacked by the Soviets.
Pushing back and failing oil prices wore down the Soviets. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| I think I finally realize why gopher seems to have all but given up on responding on these boards. |
I think finally I might agree with you here. There's only so many times you can smack your head against a brick wall before you realise the futility of it. This comes from all the people here. These threads always become Bi-polar and have now become "pot and kettle" based. It's just that some do it more pompously than others.
Try going to the job discussion seems a lot more useful trying to help others, than arguing about who's got the biggest nuclear weapon. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
Try going to the job discussion seems a lot more useful trying to help others, than arguing about who's got the biggest nuclear weapon. |
Yes, it all comes down to the proverbial nuclear missile. Many posters on Dave's CE forum seem to think they've got the largest one, yet no one seems to know how to use it. I must give you credit Dome Vans, that is probably one of the more intelligent things you have said, and judging from some of the posters on here, might be one of the more intelligent things anyone has said. |
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