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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Maybe it is just an exhausted civilization. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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The fact is that the Specter ammendment has never come into full eftrect.
By the way n@gger I am 41 years older than you. I would hire you to shine my shoes and mow my lawn. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| contrarian wrote: |
The fact is that the Specter ammendment has never come into full eftrect.
By the way n@gger I am 41 years older than you. I would hire you to shine my shoes and mow my lawn. |
I don't think esl pays well enough for a 70 year old man to pay anybody else to do anything but wipe his arse. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| contrarian wrote: |
The fact is that the Specter ammendment has never come into full eftrect.
By the way n@gger I am 41 years older than you. I would hire you to shine my shoes and mow my lawn. |
ur bragging about that???? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
| contrarian wrote: |
The fact is that the Specter ammendment has never come into full eftrect.
By the way n@gger I am 41 years older than you. I would hire you to shine my shoes and mow my lawn. |
I don't think esl pays well enough for a 70 year old man to pay anybody else to do anything but wipe his arse. |
I'm guessing he was responding to me. Interesting... He'd have to be pretty damned old. Sad he's still a fifteen year-old at mind.. er, heart...
Wasn't there a post specifically about racist comments? Anyone sent this one to the mods? |
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Step #8. How is the press being controlled. How is it even in danger of being controlled in the future? Define control.
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I deeply skeptical of mainstream american news media. But I don't think they are "formally" controlled by the government. It's more like, to be part of the washington press corps you have to play the game, you don't HAVE to, but the white house can choose to give you more or less access and information depending on how you toe the line. They can't legally stop you from comming to a press conference, but they certainly can say sweet f.a. if someone they don't favour is in the room. Anyone recall vivid images that I have in my own mind of both Rumsfeld and Cheney doing press meetings where they essentially said, politely, "we're not answering that" to every single pertinant question. So the news corporations need to cultivate the white house. It's not an official relationship, but it's mutual back scratching, the news stations need governmental co-operation to get those scoops and good solid early details of important things, undistorted, just as the white house needs news reporters that, while perhaps, and indeed hopefully, they act as watchdog, help to keep the ship aright, editfy important public debate, and generally contribute a key role in a free and democratic state, are not actively hostile against the government and working against it.
Wolf has me confuddled, as I'm largely coming from her point of view, but I find her alarmist, and hyperbolic, and I think people like her are the great archilles heal of the left, making it easy for those loony left barbs to stick. So, she's pointing in the right direction, but I still despise her. We need moderates. If an idea is right you don't have to distort and exaggerate, and the principles of progressive liberal philosophy ARE stronger than those of conservatism. The problem with conservatism is that it values what has been done before simply because it has been done before, while just about the only CONSTANT aspect of modern reality is CHANGE ...
Peace out homies |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| We need moderates. |
Congress if chock full of moderates sitting on their arses not doing much. The US does not need moderates, it needs people of all stripes who believe in the US Constitution to refuse to be ignored any longer. Pelosi is a borderline traitor herself for her stances on funding Iraq and impeachment.
What was it God said about those luke warm people? I will spew thee out of my mouth? |
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| To be moderate in word and deed is not to lack passion or conviction in your beliefs. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| To be moderate in word and deed is not to lack passion or conviction in your beliefs. |
I didn't address that, though I could argue the point. What I said was they aren't doing anything. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I find her alarmist, and hyperbolic, and I think people like her are the great archilles heal of the left, making it easy for those loony left barbs to stick. So, she's pointing in the right direction, but I still despise her. We need moderates. If an idea is right you don't have to distort and exaggerate, and the principles of progressive liberal philosophy ARE stronger than those of conservatism. The problem with conservatism is that it values what has been done before simply because it has been done before |
I agree with Mr. F, especially the alarmist and hyperbolic comment. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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Poor baby. someone disagrees with your "porgessive ideals" and you get all bothered byt. I guess that the saying the if your are a conservative when you are under 30 you haveheart. If you aren't a conservative after 30 you have no head,
Why is impeachment so good when conviction would be literalli impossible? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
| Maybe it is just an exhausted civilization. |
Many think it's time to WAKE UP ... |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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And the assumption that Blackwater soldiers would be willing to murder US citizens is a stretch. |
Blackwater employees shot at civilians (unarmed) during their "deployment" to New Orleans.
Blackwater employees held American soldiers (uniformed) At GUNPOINT in Iraq.
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�Can you believe it? They actually drew their weapons on U.S. soldiers.� He was describing a 2006 car accident, in which an SUV full of Blackwater operatives had crashed into a U.S. Army Humvee on a street in Baghdad�s Green Zone. The colonel, who was involved in a follow-up investigation and spoke on the condition he not be named, said the Blackwater guards disarmed the U.S. Army soldiers and made them lie on the ground at gunpoint until they could disentangle the SUV. His account was confirmed by the head of another private security company. |
[url]www.msnbc.com [/url]
Maybe it is more serious that you previously thought, eh? |
You're drawing comparisons that don't stand up. The Blackwater mercs were effectively in a war zone in a "foreign" country in both those instances. (Yeah, I think NOLA post Katrina was pretty damn hard to imagine as a normal American city.) These guys might be able to go all Apocalypse Now under those circumstances, but do you think they'd be able to do it as an aggressive, assaulting force? Attacking some mall? I just don't see it.
And, again, Americans have guns. Around here I think people would stand up and kill the bastards if it came to that. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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They have been given a billion dollar + contract to fight the war on drugs. And again, they held AMERICAN soldiers, in uniform, at gunpoint in the GREEN ZONE.
I seriously suggest you read the Blackwater book by Scahill.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/09/military_isr_narco_091407/
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The U.S. Defense Department has invited five contractors to bid on elements of a new, multibillion dollar effort to combat the global flow of illegal drugs allegedly used to finance terrorism.
Awarded by the Pentagon�s Counter-Narcoterrorism Technology Program Office in Dahlgren, Va., the contract vehicle has a potential value of $15 billion over five years. One participant is ARINC, a Maryland-based provider of airline communications systems.
�This gives us the opportunity to bid on this work,� said Linda Hartwig, an ARINC spokesperson. �We don�t have a lot of details yet, but we do know that this is an expansion of what [the U.S] is already doing to fight drug trafficking, and that 80 percent of the work will be overseas.�
Hartwig said the other participating vendors are defense giants Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon, and security contractor Blackwater USA. Blackwater confirmed its participation, but the other vendors did not respond to inquiries.
The vendors will compete for a series of task orders covering a wide range of products and services. These could include anti-drug technologies and equipment, special vehicles and aircraft, communications, security training, pilot training, geographic information systems, and in-field support.
According to ARINC, training elements could include instruction for border police, the construction of shooting ranges and the integration of aircraft-mounted drug detection systems.
ARINC has assisted U.S. drug interdiction efforts since 2002, when it joined the State Department�s Air Bridge Denial program.
Within the Pentagon, the CNTPO is the Pentagon�s lead agency for developing new technology to �disrupt, deter and deny� narcoterrorism. Much of this work relates to prototyping new communications and sensor systems. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| These guys might be able to go all Apocalypse Now under those circumstances, but do you think they'd be able to do it as an aggressive, assaulting force? Attacking some mall? I just don't see it. |
The residents of NOLA gave up their arms as demanded. As will the rest. Any "assault" wouldn't be an assault, it would be via legal maneuvering first, followed by rounding up of "terrorists" complete with THREAT LEVELS and calls to watch your friends and neighbors because THEY are HERE.... etc. |
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