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ajgeddes
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thepeel
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| That is a very cool car. 12k, only. It isn't illegal, but in process of jumping through the various hoops. If the range gets better, I'll buy one. |
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mindmetoo
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Alpha-Epsilon
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I've got a v-rer304x convert w/out 90's flip-nozzles and it's a dream, no thrills and all, latitude 345234.
Thanks, but I'm Canadian and fat. |
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ajgeddes
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I guess you got to look at it differently. Refining Oil makes pollution. Making electricity creates pollution. So, at this point they are both bad, but relatively even. After that, an electric car is definitely going to be much better than an oil/gas car when it comes to pollution. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Legal in Canada. If you live in B.C. 
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| Making electricity creates pollution |
Not in B.C. as we have tons of hydroelectric power: flooded some marshes and killed a bit of moose and beaver habitat but otherwise the air and water is clean to breathe and drink. |
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ajgeddes
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| Why did this get moved? I don't really think it belongs in this forum. Perhaps a message from the mods to the OP would be nice. |
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adeline
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| oh i want one! i totally don't get ontario hydro (only my 3rd year in canada), why is it called that if they use coal? |
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cdninkorea
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Location: Seoul
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I notice they don't say how far or long the car can go without being recharged.
Still, looks very intriguing. If I were in Canada and these were legal I'd look into it more. |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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sweet post. I love Rick Mercer, and it's really nice to see Canada manufacturing cars again. Nice little car.
I'm looking for an electric bike, I love the idea of light, small, efficient both in space and energy....and also fun
The Japanese Sumo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUXhJZZRUIg
The French Blade (French only)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEaD1RjiH5o
Canada is also reponsible for the T-rex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38TFetQAe2o
a cool light weight vehicle that uses a large motorcycle engine and goes extrememly fast. A cool example of something that is both extremely competetive, aggressive, fast, yet uses less fuel than an SUV. Not exactly an eco friendly product, but it shows that things can still kick arse while still being minimal, less consumptive and less costly
and the Bug Rider (I think this product is german....)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spk8fazo6b0
Again, not marketed as "eco", but with only 150 or 250 cc this thing is highly feul efficient. While it's very light build offers great weight to power ratio, making it fast and fun. While it's styling makes it street legal in many countries, it's small profile means it requires less road space and thus less concrete and less congestion and last it's four wheels offer stability and safety a motorcycle cannot.
or the BMW GG Street Quad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6bmPt7CXQo
again, not marketed as eco, but clearly way more efficient than a Suzuki swift
anyway the point being that A) electric is fast and fun, while also being more eco friednly and quiet and B) smaller is fuel effiecient, demands less space in the city (requiring less infrastructure and creating less traffic) and still really fun.....
No longer is bigger and louder better |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
I guess you got to look at it differently. Refining Oil makes pollution. Making electricity creates pollution. So, at this point they are both bad, but relatively even. After that, an electric car is definitely going to be much better than an oil/gas car when it comes to pollution. |
Let me suggest that if people started to use these in huge numbers, there would be a huge load on the current grid. Too much to cope. There would be no way in hell the government would build more coal plants to meet the demand. It would certainly prompt change, either more nuclear/wind plants or looking at putting other low emission technology on the road that won't tap the power grid. So let me partially retract my disapproval. I think small numbers are just shifting where the pollution is created. But large numbers would motivate major changes. |
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earthbound14
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
I guess you got to look at it differently. Refining Oil makes pollution. Making electricity creates pollution. So, at this point they are both bad, but relatively even. After that, an electric car is definitely going to be much better than an oil/gas car when it comes to pollution. |
Let me suggest that if people started to use these in huge numbers, there would be a huge load on the current grid. Too much to cope. There would be no way in hell the government would build more coal plants to meet the demand. It would certainly prompt change, either more nuclear/wind plants or looking at putting other low emission technology on the road that won't tap the power grid. So let me partially retract my disapproval. I think small numbers are just shifting where the pollution is created. But large numbers would motivate major changes. |
the cool thing about electricity is that it can be stored, you can only pump fossil feuls out of the ground. We can also generate electricity by many means, it took millions of years to store up the energy in fossil fuels. Anyway you look at it we will be doing damage in some way to the environement, but electricity offers hope for renewability. So long as the sun exists to drive the water system, to move air and heat up the earth, we have energy. Burning fossil fuels is a dead end, unless we figure out how to make it.......biodiesel? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| earthbound14 wrote: |
| the cool thing about electricity is that it can be stored, you can only pump fossil feuls out of the ground. We can also generate electricity by many means, it took millions of years to store up the energy in fossil fuels. Anyway you look at it we will be doing damage in some way to the environement, but electricity offers hope for renewability. So long as the sun exists to drive the water system, to move air and heat up the earth, we have energy. Burning fossil fuels is a dead end, unless we figure out how to make it.......biodiesel? |
Electricity can be stored by certainly not easily, cheaply, or in a fashion that's enviro-friendly. This is why people are looking at hydrogen and fuel cells. Creating hydrogen with electricity is a way of "storing" the energy in a portable gas (or liquid if under pressure). |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Electricity is great.
How to produce it in an environmently friendly manner is the hard part.
Windmill farms suffer from NIMBY environmentalists.
Nukes would be a great options even if only temporary again the NIMBY factor.
Solar stumbles on the area equation.
I prefer nukes to oil.
Solar has a lot of promise but as of now cost prohibitive.
Now what about the batteries, how long do they last and
can they be recycled is the process of recycling harmful? |
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