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Teacher held in Sudan over teddy bear's name
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chris_J2



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: Teacher held in Sudan over teddy bear's name Reply with quote

Khartoum
November 27, 2007 - 1:20AM

"A British primary school teacher has been arrested in Sudan, accused of insulting Islam's Prophet by letting her class of 7-year-olds name a teddy bear Mohammed, her school said yesterday.

Police arrested Gillian Gibbons, 54 of Liverpool, on Sunday at her home inside the Unity High School premises after a number of parents complained to Sudan's Ministry of Education, said Unity director Robert Boulos.

The country's state-controlled Sudanese Media Centre reported late on Sunday that Ms Gibbons had been accused of "insulting the Prophet Mohammad". It said charges were being prepared "under article 125 of the criminal law" which covers insults against faith and religion.

Teachers at the school in central Khartoum said Ms Gibbons made an innocent mistake and simply let her pupils choose their favourite name for the toy as part of a school project.

"We are very worried about her safety," he added. "This was a completely innocent mistake. Miss Gibbons would have never wanted to insult Islam."

A spokesman from the British Embassy in Khartoum said she had not yet been charged with violating state law against insulting religion. An embassy official visited her yesterday and said she was in good health but shaken.

If convicted, Ms Gibbons could be sentenced to 40 lashes, six months in prison or a fine, said Ghazi Suleiman, the head of the Sudan Human Rights Group.

No one was immediately available for comment from Sudan's ministries of Education or Justice.

Mr Boulos said he had decided to close down the school until January for fear of reprisals in Sudan's predominantly Muslim capital. "This is a very sensitive issue."

Earlier Ms Gibbons' colleagues said they feared for her safety after receiving reports that young men had started gathering outside the Khartoum police station where she was being held. But a Reuters witness at the police station said no one was gathering there.

Mr Boulos said Ms Gibbons was following a British National Curriculum course designed to teach young pupils about animals and their habitats. This year's animal was the bear.

Ms Gibbons, who joined Unity in August, asked a girl to bring in her teddy bear to help the Year 2 class focus, said Mr Boulos.

The teacher then asked the class to name the toy. "They came up with eight names including Abdullah, Hassan and Mohammed. Then she explained what it meant to vote and asked them to choose the name." Twenty out of the 23 children chose Mohammed.

Each child was allowed to take the bear home at weekends and asked to write a diary about what they did with the toy. Each entry was collected in a book with a picture of the bear on the cover, next to the message "My name is Mohammed," said Mr Boulos.

The bear itself was not marked or labelled with the name in any way, he added, saying Sudanese police had now seized the book and had asked to interview the seven-year-old girl.

Mr Boulos said the first he knew about the course was last week when he got a phone call from the Ministry of Education, saying a number of Muslim parents had made formal complaints.

One Muslim teacher at Unity, who also has a child in Ms Gibbons' class, said she had not found the project offensive.

"I had no problem with it at all," the teacher said. "I know Gillian and she would never have meant it as an insult. I was just impressed that she got them to vote."

Unity, an independent school founded in 1902, is governed by a board representing major Christian denominations in Sudan, but teaches both Christians and Muslims aged 4 to 18. Reuters"

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/11/27/1196036820982.html

Is it safe to call it "Jesus"?
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really not the right forum.
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Bibbitybop



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had a weekend with it, I would've returned it sticky and strapped with hot dogs that resembled explosives.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=QK_DsVcb8Lc&feature=related
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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would she have called the teddy Jesus if she was at home?


NO.

So why did she think it was ok to call it Mohammed?
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jnj



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe because there's still a LOT of people named Mohammed?

Come to think of it, in some cultures there's a lot of kids still named Jesus and variations of.
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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ exactly.

And I am pretty sure that the if she called a teddy bear Jesus in Latin America she would be hung and beaten.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what they get for employing a monkey...
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newteacher



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
Would she have called the teddy Jesus if she was at home?


NO.

So why did she think it was ok to call it Mohammed?


If you read the article you would have seen that it was the kids who came up with the names. Then the kids voted on which one to give the bear. So the more appropriate question would be if she was teaching at home would the kids have named it Jesus? Probably not. However, if they had, there's a 100% probability she would not be arrested for it. In the States there'd probably be a vast evangelical movement to get all future bears named Jesus and if people refused they'd be accused of religious discrimination.
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mistermasan



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but...if it was hispanic studnts and they voted for "jesus" it would have been OK.

by this logic, parents who name their kids the same as the prophet are also due for whippings?


dear all-knowing superstar: save me from those idiots you have for groupies.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
Would she have called the teddy Jesus if she was at home?


NO.

So why did she think it was ok to call it Mohammed?


Why not? Actually, that would be pretty funny.
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Scotticus



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
^ exactly.

And I am pretty sure that the if she called a teddy bear Jesus in Latin America she would be hung and beaten.


The hell are you talking about? Do you honestly think anyone would care if you named the bear Jesus, especially in a culture where tons of people are named Jesus? The issue is with Islam's inability to differentiate between harmless fun and idolatry. The rules against "depicting" Muhammed are to protect against the worshipping of an object, ie - the crucifix. If Islam is truly threatened by a stuffed bear named by children, then it's got a lot more problems than people think.


Further: I find it ironic that the mods will delete perfectly helpful threads and yet keep this thing going for hours when it's obviously a thread for the CE forum.
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't Mohammed a common name? I know a few people called Mohammed
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
Isn't Mohammed a common name? I know a few people called Mohammed


Yeah, I used to work for a security company and there were a lot of Mohammeds, Muhamads, Mahmouds, etc. Also, I used to date a Filipina whose dad was a drug dealer named Jesus.
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stories like this make me realize why the West is still leading the world.
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why I didn't get any socks at Chuseok this year!

My classroom's Apolo Ohno in a kimono puppet doll.

Curses! Mad
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