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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: RCMP Tasers Kill Yet Again ... |
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Canadian Man Dies After Being Tasered
VANCOUVER, British Columbia - A Canadian man died Saturday, four days after police shot him with a Taser-gun because he reportedly was "acting erratically" in a store, police said. He was the third person to die in recent weeks in Canada after being attacked by RCMP with the deadly hand-held weapon.
Robert Knipstrom, 36, died in a hospital after two officers used pepper spray, a Taser-gun and their batons to "subdue" the British Columbia resident. Police earlier said Knipstrom was extremely agitated, aggressive and combative with the two officers who responded.
He was said to be conscious and speaking when taken to the hospital.
The cause of death has yet to be determined. Although a Taser was used against Knipstrom, it was not immediately clear what role, if any, it played in his death, said Inspector Brendan Fitzpatrick.
Investigations into Knipstrom's death have been launched separately by the British Columbia Coroner's Office and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, police said at a news conference Saturday.
The case comes as Canadian police face intense criticism over the death of Robert Dziekanski, a Polish immigrant who died at Vancouver airport last month after officers used a Taser and "manhandled" him.
A Nova Scotian man also died earlier this week, 30 hours after being shot with a taser gun at a jail where he was being held on assault charges.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/canada_taser;_ylt=AuhNPG_NpBT4weOOJBC0CjFhr7sF
Hmmmmm ... shot, beat & pepper-sprayed, but unclear as to why he died, eh?
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seoulsucker

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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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seoulsucker

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Funkdafied

Joined: 04 Nov 2007 Location: In Da House
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Your title reads "RCMP Tasers kill yet again" and yet the article includes "The cause of death has yet to be determined". Your agenda is showing very clearly. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Funkdafied wrote: |
Your title reads "RCMP Tasers kill yet again" and yet the article includes "The cause of death has yet to be determined". Your agenda is showing very clearly. |
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runlikegump

Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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You'd rather see cops use their guns? Tasers deliver a non-lethal dose of electricity in 99.939% of cases - bullets offer slightly lower chance of survival. It is incredibly sad that three people have died so close together as a result of Tasers. It is awful that there is uncertainty around the proper amount of force used with the Polish guy. But as a means to disarm or impede a genuine bad guy, it is a much more humane and acceptable response for the cops to use than to resort to their firearms. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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i think it's pathetic that a group of trained police officers can't take down a single dude without using tasers or guns... if tasers are 'non-lethal', why can't anyone use them? |
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runlikegump

Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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i think it's pathetic that a group of trained police officers can't take down a single dude without using tasers or guns... if tasers are 'non-lethal', why can't anyone use them? |
What about the hundreds, likely thousands of times each week that Tasers are used properly and to the desired effect around the world?
This is showing not much insight into the day to day reality of what cops face on the street. "Take down"? Watch much WWE? Ever tried to reason with, or worse, had to fight with someone in an agitated state, be that from some natural or chemically-induced imbalance? Doesn't quite work like it does on the TV. |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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I have detailed the problem with taser use several times on this forum.
The reality is the taser could be used safely or at least with far more
safety than present experience exemplifies.
In every case that has been brought to my attention recently there were
definite misuse signals.
Vancouver highly agitated man doesn't speak English, hit him with a taser
or get a translator, naw let's tase him.
An 85 year old suffering from dementia and schizophrenic woman armed
with a hammer. Which word should you key in on 'hammer' or 'dementia'
or 'shhizophrenic' or how about 85 years old, yep just tase her.
These are the types of decisions being made folks tase tase tase.
There are no policies, the manufacturers manual convenient refers the
user to follow the local police policy, and the local policy then advises the
user to refer to the manual.
Anyone here familiar with the brakeman parable from Atlas shrugged,
ultimately the taser is used with authority and no responsibility.
There are no specific Taser use policies.
There is talk of guidelines and user manuals.
These 50,000 volt cattle prods we are talking about. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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They probably have those tasers amped up on the highest setting with a new super charged battery which is causing heart attacks.
It is possible that a new type of battery is being fit into those tasers which increases the power from the original intended level which is probably making them very dangerous to the point of causing damage to your heart and/or nervous system should you get zapped. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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runlikegump wrote: |
You'd rather see cops use their guns? |
Nice, in theory, but naive to think so in practice.
Taser deaths are proving to be due to situations where police NEVER would have used guns instead.
Did you see the video of the guy at the Vancouver airport? Guns would NOT have been drawn let alone used in such cases.
Tasers are an ESCALATION in the use of force, used in plenty of lesser situations.
"Don't tase me bro'!"
And with heart disease, sedentary lifestyles and obesity so widespread these days, appealing to those as factors in deaths arising from massive electrical shock to the heart is just... lame. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, and with all these new PC programs opening up, officers don't have to be a minimum weight or height anymore. It opens the door for 140 lb weakling officers, and women who wouldn't have a hope in hell of taking down a 250 lb drunken violwent person. That's why we give cops weapons.
ernie wrote: |
i think it's pathetic that a group of trained police officers can't take down a single dude without using tasers or guns... if tasers are 'non-lethal', why can't anyone use them? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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ernie wrote: |
i think it's pathetic that a group of trained police officers can't take down a single dude without using tasers or guns... if tasers are 'non-lethal', why can't anyone use them? |
Bingo!
Getting SHOT with a taser-gun constitutes the use of potentially lethal force.
Lazy donut vaccums. |
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genezorm

Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Location: Mokpo
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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i think tasers make the police job a lot easier
you dont have to struggle or fight with anyone, and if someone is giving you lip, or being a dick, just taser him and say he was "behaving erratically" or "he looked like he was going to use force"
that'll teach those punks a lesson |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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runlikegump wrote: |
You'd rather see cops use their guns? Tasers deliver a non-lethal dose of electricity in 99.939% of cases - bullets offer slightly lower chance of survival. It is incredibly sad that three people have died so close together as a result of Tasers. It is awful that there is uncertainty around the proper amount of force used with the Polish guy. But as a means to disarm or impede a genuine bad guy, it is a much more humane and acceptable response for the cops to use than to resort to their firearms. |
It could also be an indicator how often it is used . |
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