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traxxe
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 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:26 am Post subject: Has Korea ever actually won a war? |
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Not counting internal wars on the penninsula... have they won a war?
I don't know much Korean history before the Korean War and Japanese Occupation. I cannot think off the top of my head a single time Korea has won a war.
Would that make Korea the only country in East Asia never to have won its own war?
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Gwangjuboy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| Didn't they win the Imjin War in which they repelled the Japanese? It was all down hill from there though. |
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endo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I would count the Imjin War.
Plus there were were a lot of internal wars if you want to include those. |
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mistermasan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| has the US won a war since 1945? and heck...that one isn't even resolved yet. |
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endo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| mistermasan wrote: |
| has the US won a war since 1945? and heck...that one isn't even resolved yet. |
Hey, the Americans kicked the $hit out of Greneda. |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:29 am Post subject: |
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Okay, they did win a war once then. They repelled the Japanese. That's what I was wondering.
America won a war recently in Afghanistan against the Taliban. American won a war in Iraq against Sadam's regime. While the peacekeeping part isn't over. I would consider both of those victories.
America did not iwn in Vietnam or Korea, no.
If you are a peaceful people, like someone asserted Koreans claimed to be. You should be a lot more polite to those around you that are foreign. Lest you find yourselves conquered. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Define 'winning'.
I'm reminded of 'Catch-22' where an old Italian guy (Nately's **beep*'s father?) says Italy has won all its wars by surrendering. Eventually all the foreigners go away and the Italians are left just where they were, busy being Italians. A lot like Korea. |
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RACETRAITOR
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: |
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There was also the Goguryeo-Sui Wars between 598 and 614, where you could easily argue a Korean kingdom came out on top and the Chinese Sui dynasty fell apart. The Korean commander, Eulji, killed over 300 000 Chinese soldiers at the Battle of Salsu by opening a dam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo-Sui_Wars
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| mistermasan wrote: |
| has the US won a war since 1945? and heck...that one isn't even resolved yet. |
Hey, the Americans kicked the $hit out of Greneda. |
And Panama.
| traxxe wrote: |
America won a war recently in Afghanistan against the Taliban.
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Afghanistan isn't over yet. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| traxxe wrote: |
America won a war recently in Afghanistan against the Taliban. American won a war in Iraq against Sadam's regime. While the peacekeeping part isn't over. I would consider both of those victories.
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War is hardly over in Afghanistan. The Afghan government controls maybe one city. As for Iraq, do you mean Iraq I or Iraq II? Iraq II ain't over yet. But, I may give you Iraq I, but that was more like a squirmish. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| traxxe wrote: |
America won a war recently in Afghanistan against the Taliban. American won a war in Iraq against Sadam's regime. While the peacekeeping part isn't over. I would consider both of those victories.
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War is hardly over in Afghanistan. The Afghan government controls maybe one city. As for Iraq, do you mean Iraq I or Iraq II? Iraq II ain't over yet. But, I may give you Iraq I, but that was more like a squirmish. |
Iraq 1 was chasing them out of Kuwait, giving them a big scare, and bombing them back to the Stone Age. Iraq 2 is an occupation war, and the war isn't over until the occupation succeeds (like it did in the Philippines) or fails (like it did in Vietnam). |
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SeoulFinn
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Imjin War:
I think we can say that Joseon dynasty won the sea war against the Japanese invaders, but it couldn't defeat the Japanese on land without a considerable help coming from Ming China. Ming's help in form of men and resources is one of the many reasons why Ming dynasty fell "soon" after the Imjin War was over. |
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GoldMember
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Stupid thread, and totally irrelevant. Does wining a war make any country, or group of people better or worse than another.
If you feel like taking the Mickey out of Korea, at least have the intelligence to address real issues, and not garbage like this.
Some here, including yours truely take the piss out of Koreans for often being foolish, threads like this make us look even dumber. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| SeoulFinn wrote: |
Imjin War:
I think we can say that Joseon dynasty won the sea war against the Japanese invaders, but it couldn't defeat the Japanese on land without a considerable help coming from Ming China. Ming's help in form of men and resources is one of the many reasons why Ming dynasty fell "soon" after the Imjin War was over. |
The Japanese invaded Korea, but the invasion was [i]repelled[i]. Hence, Korea won that war by winning at sea. If Korea had lost, the Japanese colonial period would've begun in the late 16th century. |
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nautilus
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Italy has won all its wars by surrendering. Eventually all the foreigners go away and the Italians are left just where they were, busy being Italians. A lot like Korea. |
Or maybe "enlisting powerful allies" can be regarded as winning by use of strategy. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| traxxe wrote: |
Korea has had some heroes... heck, Kim Sung Il was a hero. He fought as a guerilla against the Japanese. His years after that... not so much. At the time though I would of taken him over the Japanese trained Rhee anyday according to his resume at the time  |
What did he do after he fought against the Japanese? I've never heard of him. |
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