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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
cdninkorea wrote:
Vicissitude wrote:
Just wait until someone turns in a CRC with something on there like possession of drugs (marijuana) and/or a medical with (a false) positive. The Korean media is going to have a frenzy.

Yeah, you make a good point.


Umm, I've never really noticed the Korean media having THAT much of a frenzy when a teacher actually gets busted for weed in Korea. There might be one small story in the papers, if that.

So I don't really see that there would be this huge hoopla over someone submitting records that indicated weed possession in a foreign country. More than likely, the guy would just be told privately by immigration that he can't come to Korea, and that would be the end of it.


I wouldn't worry about anything Vicious Attitude says. He'd love this to be the case so it would back up his own shortsighted and bigoted views of Korea. Shame really.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plato's republic wrote:
#1. Please name these countries

#2. It still feels like some sort of infringement of our rights. Will they be testing all Korean English-teachers too?


Canada requires an HIV test. I haven't finished reading the rest of the thread. Sorry if someone already posted that info.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't understand what the problem is with the new visa requirements. It sounds like a lot of you just don't like Koreans and if that's the case why are you even here?
The new requirements, may be a pain to get but they are totally legitimate. Anyone applying for a teaching job or any other job working with children, should have a CRC done and anyone who will be receiving medical insurance should have health evaluations completed before starting a job. I can understand that people feel that an HIV test is not necessary but as already discussed in this thread, several countries require them, and I can also understand not agreeing with a drug test, because I don't necessarily agree with this one either, but I can understand the want for one. It costs Korean schools, universities and hagwons quite a bit of money to employ foreigners. They pay for our airfare, housing, half our medical insurance and half of our pension on top of our salary and bonus, so why not want to make sure that their new teacher not be a drug addict, let alone take the chance on getting a teacher, who like many others, gets deported or jailed for possession of narcotics.
Yes, getting a visa can be a long, tedious process but it is not just us waiting. What about the hagwon owner who is losing business because he has no foreign teacher because they got deported for possession and has to wait on finding a new teacher?
The new requirements are not being put in place to screw us over, they are being put in place to protect the schools and businesses. So what if you have been working here for 5 years and didn't have to do it before, you didn't have to do it because it wasn't required then. Just because you have been here for awhile doesn't mean that Korea owes you something.
Maybe by changing the requirements for an E-2 visa will help to weed out the people who are lazy and aren't coming here to teach, but instead coming to party or as someone said earlier, to leapfrog across south east asia.
If you all don't like it here so much why don't you go home instead of spending year after year here and countless hours on daveeslcafe complaining about it.
If you can't pass these requirements, you shouldn't be teaching in the first place.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbag81 wrote:
I really don't understand what the problem is with the new visa requirements. It sounds like a lot of you just don't like Koreans and if that's the case why are you even here?
The new requirements, may be a pain to get but they are totally legitimate. Anyone applying for a teaching job or any other job working with children, should have a CRC done and anyone who will be receiving medical insurance should have health evaluations completed before starting a job. I can understand that people feel that an HIV test is not necessary but as already discussed in this thread, several countries require them, and I can also understand not agreeing with a drug test, because I don't necessarily agree with this one either, but I can understand the want for one. It costs Korean schools, universities and hagwons quite a bit of money to employ foreigners. They pay for our airfare, housing, half our medical insurance and half of our pension on top of our salary and bonus, so why not want to make sure that their new teacher not be a drug addict, let alone take the chance on getting a teacher, who like many others, gets deported or jailed for possession of narcotics.
Yes, getting a visa can be a long, tedious process but it is not just us waiting. What about the hagwon owner who is losing business because he has no foreign teacher because they got deported for possession and has to wait on finding a new teacher?
The new requirements are not being put in place to screw us over, they are being put in place to protect the schools and businesses. So what if you have been working here for 5 years and didn't have to do it before, you didn't have to do it because it wasn't required then. Just because you have been here for awhile doesn't mean that Korea owes you something.
Maybe by changing the requirements for an E-2 visa will help to weed out the people who are lazy and aren't coming here to teach, but instead coming to party or as someone said earlier, to leapfrog across south east asia.
If you all don't like it here so much why don't you go home instead of spending year after year here and countless hours on daveeslcafe complaining about it.
If you can't pass these requirements, you shouldn't be teaching in the first place.


OH BABY........HERE IT COMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbag81 wrote:

If you all don't like it here so much why don't you go home instead of spending year after year here and countless hours on daveeslcafe complaining about it.
If you can't pass these requirements, you shouldn't be teaching in the first place.


I agree with the gist of your comments. Do you have to resort to stereotypes and attacks to make your point?

Furthermore, what is the problem with using Korea as a �stepping stone� to South East Asia?

Why do you have a problem with people coming to Korea for a year, gaining work and life experience, saving the money they earn, and then spending it to travel?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My intention wasn't to sterotype or attack anyone in particular, but I am sick and tired of hearing and reading about everyones negative experiences, the majority of this thread has been, like many others, one huge complaint. I simply feel that if you don't like the visa requirements and can't pass them you shouldn't be here.
And I don't have a problem with people coming to Korea for a year, gaining work and life experience, saving the money they earn, and then spending it to travel, but I think that we all need to remember that we have been hired to teach and that teaching is a job that one should take seriously. I have a problem with people who don't take their job seriously. Now this is just my opinion, but I feel that the people who have been here for years that are just willing to throw away their jobs because the Visa process is more difficult than it used to be really don't care about their jobs and I feel that someone who doesn't care about their job should not be, of all things, a teacher.
I am sorry if anyone feels that I am stereotyping or attacking, it wasn't my intention.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tbag you are a rip-roaring idiot. I am impressed that you managed to rub together your last two brain cells just hard enough to fire off that post. I've had bowel movements that generated more respectable contents than your post.

Peope here are upset for a few reasons:

1) This whole series of sudden changes is a knee-jerk reaction to a child molester. This child molester would have not been hindered in his actions by any of the actions the government is planning on executing.

2) These changes are dramatic and have been issued at a pace that is frightening. Most change should be gradual and coherently thought out before being implimented. This effects a country and its education system. It is not some small insignificant endeavor hoping to correct a minor blemish.

3) These changes are making it appear as if we the teachers are the flaw in the system. It is putting blame on a foreign population that is not responsible for the failure of this frequently corrupt and dehumanizing education system. It is an abhorrent attempt at denial of Korean liability that is humiliating in the absurd way we the foreigners are being blamed.

***

Just because some foreigners in Gangnam got caught with marijuanna does not make us all pot smoking and drug abusing idiots.

Just because a terrible rapist taught here does not make us all worthless child abusers.

Just because Korean women and men come down with a sexually transmitted disease does not mean it was brought here by foreigners and that we are all thus suspect for such actions and behavior.

What about these very same hagwon owners who violate their own contracts, lie to parents, and manipulate otherwise kind and generous teachers? Where is our portection to ensure that the people that employ us are mentally fit, not addicted to drugs (Soju?), have a clean criminal history, and are free of diseases?

How long do you think these circumstances would hold water if every Korean hagwon owner, teacher, and principle were subjected to the same unjust accusations and magnifying glass that we are?

Where are the changes that solve the root of the problem and not the branches?

Where is the reasonable implimentation of changes at a gradual pace?

Where is the accountability for unethical business practices?

Be careful of the Kool Aid you are drinking tbag.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbag81 wrote:
but I think that we all need to remember that we have been hired to teach and that teaching is a job that one should take seriously. I have a problem with people who don't take their job seriously.


I think more people would take their jobs more seriously if the jobs themselves were taken seriously by Korean authorities, hagwon owners, and parents. The 'McTeacher' approach that a lot of franchise hagwons take where you simply read from the (often mistake ridden) franchise textbook and press play on the CD player discourage any input from the teacher.

In an unrewarding job like that it is little wonder that people enjoy a few glasses of beer of an evening - in their free time.

Sure, in public schools, universities, and elite hagwons it's a different story; but most of the guys doing the hard partying are probably not working at those places.

Korea gets what it wants. They want young, attractive native English speakers who look good on posters and in brochures.

�No teaching experience required � No training given. Make the class F U N.�

That's why they offer wages that are only really attractive to those fresh out of university and it is why they only offer 1 year contracts, and a 1 year indentured servant style Visa.

Don�t get me wrong, I love living and teaching in Korea. The problems in the Korean education system - particularly the private sector - are of the Korean's own making. And these new visa requirements will do nothing to help.

That�s why people are �complaining.�
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traxxe wrote:
Tbag you are a rip-roaring idiot. I am impressed that you managed to rub together your last two brain cells just hard enough to fire off that post. I've had bowel movements that generated more respectable contents than your post.


Really? Bowel movements? Well, considering you just spewed shit through your fingers onto this forum, I'm not surprised.


traxxe wrote:
1) This whole series of sudden changes is a knee-jerk reaction to a child molester. This child molester would have not been hindered in his actions by any of the actions the government is planning on executing.


Oh, it must suck to have your delicate foreigner ego be offended. Here you've spent an entire post stereotyping Koreans educators, but you think it's absolutely absurd that we get stereotyped in the same way.

Yeah, there was a child molester. Yeah, he was foreign. Does it reflect badly on us? Yep.

traxxe wrote:
2) These changes are dramatic and have been issued at a pace that is frightening. Most change should be gradual and coherently thought out before being implimented. This effects a country and its education system. It is not some small insignificant endeavor hoping to correct a minor blemish.


Wow. You're logic (or lack thereof) astounds me. So, what you're saying is that the change is happening too fast. It seems to me that the changes were needed long ago. Had these policies been in effect before, maybe that child molester wouldn't have been here.

Are people worried? You bet. Should they be? Probably not. Yet, you fail to realize that we are coming here to work with children. Would you want someone working with your children that had a record of sexual offenses? Rolling Eyes

traxxe wrote:
3) These changes are making it appear as if we the teachers are the flaw in the system. It is putting blame on a foreign population that is not responsible for the failure of this frequently corrupt and dehumanizing education system. It is an abhorrent attempt at denial of Korean liability that is humiliating in the absurd way we the foreigners are being blamed.


Really? What do you know about what Korean teachers have to go through to gt their jobs? What do you know about what is being done to improve that other than rumors and innuendo that you read from screaming howler monkey whiners like yourself?

"Oh, God! Sad They're blaming everything on us! We're actually having to prove that we're not child molesters before we take jobs in schools teaching children! What's next? We'll have to prove that we can actually drive before they let us drive cars?"

You. Vinegar. Water. Friends.

traxxe wrote:
Just because some foreigners in Gangnam got caught with marijuanna does not make us all pot smoking and drug abusing idiots.


You're a professed pot-smoker, no? You've got problems with your criminal record, too. No? No flippin' wonder you're worried. Still, I bet you're a wonderful teacher. Laughing

Most of us are good teachers. Most of us don't have criminal records other than minor traffic tickets. Let me guess... Yours are a little more.

traxxe wrote:
Just because a terrible rapist taught here does not make us all worthless child abusers.


Exactly. So why does having to show that you aren't one offend you so much? Are you a child molester? Is that on your record? Jeezus... Five minutes at the Clerk of Court and you're done.

traxxe wrote:
Just because Korean women and men come down with a sexually transmitted disease does not mean it was brought here by foreigners and that we are all thus suspect for such actions and behavior.


True. You still think you're in North America? You're funny.

traxxe wrote:
What about these very same hagwon owners who violate their own contracts, lie to parents, and manipulate otherwise kind and generous teachers? Where is our portection to ensure that the people that employ us are mentally fit, not addicted to drugs (Soju?), have a clean criminal history, and are free of diseases?


A) Soju's legal.
B) Here's a prime example of your idiotic double standard. You're stereotyping Koreans and complaining about them doing it to you. Big surprise there.
C) This is the most important one... THEY AREN'T TRYING TO GET A VISA TO COME INTO AND WORK IN ANOTHER COUNTRY. You don't like their visa laws? Get the *beep* out! It doesn't seem that difficult now, does it?

traxxe wrote:
How long do you think these circumstances would hold water if every Korean hagwon owner, teacher, and principle were subjected to the same unjust accusations and magnifying glass that we are?


I'd be willing to bet that 99% of Korean hagwon owners, teachers, and principals would pass a drug, criminal background check, and medical test. You're being absurd and you're making the rest of us look bad.


traxxe wrote:
Where are the changes that solve the root of the problem and not the branches?

Where is the reasonable implimentation of changes at a gradual pace?

Where is the accountability for unethical business practices?

Be careful of the Kool Aid you are drinking tbag.


God, you whine. I've gone back and looked at your posts, and so far I've seen you complain about the Korean customs office searching packages. I've seen you complain about the crimes you have on your background check. You don't think people should get in trouble for fake degrees.

For what should you be held accountable? It seems to me that you were a law-breaker back home and now you want to do the same here. These new laws are designed to kick idiots like you out of this country so that the rest of us can live free of the negative stereotypes that come from people like you.

Educated? I guess you are now.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
traxxe wrote:
Tbag you are a rip-roaring idiot. I am impressed that you managed to rub together your last two brain cells just hard enough to fire off that post. I've had bowel movements that generated more respectable contents than your post.


Really? Bowel movements? Well, considering you just spewed *beep* through your fingers onto this forum, I'm not surprised.


traxxe wrote:
1) This whole series of sudden changes is a knee-jerk reaction to a child molester. This child molester would have not been hindered in his actions by any of the actions the government is planning on executing.


Oh, it must suck to have your delicate foreigner ego be offended. Here you've spent an entire post stereotyping Koreans educators, but you think it's absolutely absurd that we get stereotyped in the same way.

Yeah, there was a child molester. Yeah, he was foreign. Does it reflect badly on us? Yep.

traxxe wrote:
2) These changes are dramatic and have been issued at a pace that is frightening. Most change should be gradual and coherently thought out before being implimented. This effects a country and its education system. It is not some small insignificant endeavor hoping to correct a minor blemish.


Wow. You're logic (or lack thereof) astounds me. So, what you're saying is that the change is happening too fast. It seems to me that the changes were needed long ago. Had these policies been in effect before, maybe that child molester wouldn't have been here.

Are people worried? You bet. Should they be? Probably not. Yet, you fail to realize that we are coming here to work with children. Would you want someone working with your children that had a record of sexual offenses? Rolling Eyes

traxxe wrote:
3) These changes are making it appear as if we the teachers are the flaw in the system. It is putting blame on a foreign population that is not responsible for the failure of this frequently corrupt and dehumanizing education system. It is an abhorrent attempt at denial of Korean liability that is humiliating in the absurd way we the foreigners are being blamed.


Really? What do you know about what Korean teachers have to go through to gt their jobs? What do you know about what is being done to improve that other than rumors and innuendo that you read from screaming howler monkey whiners like yourself?

"Oh, God! Sad They're blaming everything on us! We're actually having to prove that we're not child molesters before we take jobs in schools teaching children! What's next? We'll have to prove that we can actually drive before they let us drive cars?"

You. Vinegar. Water. Friends.

traxxe wrote:
Just because some foreigners in Gangnam got caught with marijuanna does not make us all pot smoking and drug abusing idiots.


You're a professed pot-smoker, no? You've got problems with your criminal record, too. No? No flippin' wonder you're worried. Still, I bet you're a wonderful teacher. Laughing

Most of us are good teachers. Most of us don't have criminal records other than minor traffic tickets. Let me guess... Yours are a little more.

traxxe wrote:
Just because a terrible rapist taught here does not make us all worthless child abusers.


Exactly. So why does having to show that you aren't one offend you so much? Are you a child molester? Is that on your record? Jeezus... Five minutes at the Clerk of Court and you're done.

traxxe wrote:
Just because Korean women and men come down with a sexually transmitted disease does not mean it was brought here by foreigners and that we are all thus suspect for such actions and behavior.


True. You still think you're in North America? You're funny.

traxxe wrote:
What about these very same hagwon owners who violate their own contracts, lie to parents, and manipulate otherwise kind and generous teachers? Where is our portection to ensure that the people that employ us are mentally fit, not addicted to drugs (Soju?), have a clean criminal history, and are free of diseases?


A) Soju's legal.
B) Here's a prime example of your idiotic double standard. You're stereotyping Koreans and complaining about them doing it to you. Big surprise there.
C) This is the most important one... THEY AREN'T TRYING TO GET A VISA TO COME INTO AND WORK IN ANOTHER COUNTRY. You don't like their visa laws? Get the *beep* out! It doesn't seem that difficult now, does it?

traxxe wrote:
How long do you think these circumstances would hold water if every Korean hagwon owner, teacher, and principle were subjected to the same unjust accusations and magnifying glass that we are?


I'd be willing to bet that 99% of Korean hagwon owners, teachers, and principals would pass a drug, criminal background check, and medical test. You're being absurd and you're making the rest of us look bad.


traxxe wrote:
Where are the changes that solve the root of the problem and not the branches?

Where is the reasonable implimentation of changes at a gradual pace?

Where is the accountability for unethical business practices?

Be careful of the Kool Aid you are drinking tbag.


God, you whine. I've gone back and looked at your posts, and so far I've seen you complain about the Korean customs office searching packages. I've seen you complain about the crimes you have on your background check. You don't think people should get in trouble for fake degrees.

For what should you be held accountable? It seems to me that you were a law-breaker back home and now you want to do the same here. These new laws are designed to kick idiots like you out of this country so that the rest of us can live free of the negative stereotypes that come from people like you.

Educated? I guess you are now.


You sound like a right *beep*.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Eyeball_Kid wrote:
You sound like a right *beep*.


TRANSLATION: You're correct, but I won't admit it because then I'd be admitting that I'm wrong. If I had any riposte, I would have shared it. Yet, since I don't, I'll just act magnanimous.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbag81 wrote:
I really don't understand what the problem is with the new visa requirements. It sounds like a lot of you just don't like Koreans and if that's the case why are you even here?
The new requirements, may be a pain to get but they are totally legitimate. Anyone applying for a teaching job or any other job working with children, should have a CRC done and anyone who will be receiving medical insurance should have health evaluations completed before starting a job. I can understand that people feel that an HIV test is not necessary but as already discussed in this thread, several countries require them, and I can also understand not agreeing with a drug test, because I don't necessarily agree with this one either, but I can understand the want for one. It costs Korean schools, universities and hagwons quite a bit of money to employ foreigners. They pay for our airfare, housing, half our medical insurance and half of our pension on top of our salary and bonus, so why not want to make sure that their new teacher not be a drug addict, let alone take the chance on getting a teacher, who like many others, gets deported or jailed for possession of narcotics.
Yes, getting a visa can be a long, tedious process but it is not just us waiting. What about the hagwon owner who is losing business because he has no foreign teacher because they got deported for possession and has to wait on finding a new teacher?
The new requirements are not being put in place to screw us over, they are being put in place to protect the schools and businesses. So what if you have been working here for 5 years and didn't have to do it before, you didn't have to do it because it wasn't required then. Just because you have been here for awhile doesn't mean that Korea owes you something.
Maybe by changing the requirements for an E-2 visa will help to weed out the people who are lazy and aren't coming here to teach, but instead coming to party or as someone said earlier, to leapfrog across south east asia.
If you all don't like it here so much why don't you go home instead of spending year after year here and countless hours on daveeslcafe complaining about it.
If you can't pass these requirements, you shouldn't be teaching in the first place.
I've been here for over 5 years, and you better believe I am against these new regs. WHY??? Because I have to renew my visa with my school NEXT FREAKING MONTH, and the fine idiots at immi were very unkind and cruel to put this on us now. Especially for me, because announcing this mess in November when my visa ends in December is total garbage. Like I can really produce a criminal background check by December. And yes, after being here for over 5 years and never having to go through any of this, why should I have to start? I have NOTHING to hide. I've never even received a speeding ticket. Why should I be treated like a diseased criminal? It was bad enough fooling with degrees and for the first time last year, transcripts. Now, they want apostilled degrees, and now I'm hearing apostilled criminal background checks. What's next? Apostilled footprints? It's not like we get Bill Gates' salary after going through all this hassle.

I hope to never change jobs until I don't have to bother with an E2. Also, why don't F visa holders have to go through any of this mess? Oh yeah, being married to a Korean means you must be disease-free, huh? Well, I've kissed Korean guys before. Their saliva must have made me disease-free too, right? Oh yeah, a Korean guy licked my hand in June, and I licked it in the same spot, because I have a crush on him. So, of course, I am forever going to be disease-free. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
traxxe wrote:
Tbag you are a rip-roaring idiot. I am impressed that you managed to rub together your last two brain cells just hard enough to fire off that post. I've had bowel movements that generated more respectable contents than your post.


Really? Bowel movements? Well, considering you just spewed *beep* through your fingers onto this forum, I'm not surprised.


traxxe wrote:
1) This whole series of sudden changes is a knee-jerk reaction to a child molester. This child molester would have not been hindered in his actions by any of the actions the government is planning on executing.


Oh, it must suck to have your delicate foreigner ego be offended. Here you've spent an entire post stereotyping Koreans educators, but you think it's absolutely absurd that we get stereotyped in the same way.

Yeah, there was a child molester. Yeah, he was foreign. Does it reflect badly on us? Yep.

traxxe wrote:
2) These changes are dramatic and have been issued at a pace that is frightening. Most change should be gradual and coherently thought out before being implimented. This effects a country and its education system. It is not some small insignificant endeavor hoping to correct a minor blemish.


Wow. You're logic (or lack thereof) astounds me. So, what you're saying is that the change is happening too fast. It seems to me that the changes were needed long ago. Had these policies been in effect before, maybe that child molester wouldn't have been here.

Are people worried? You bet. Should they be? Probably not. Yet, you fail to realize that we are coming here to work with children. Would you want someone working with your children that had a record of sexual offenses? Rolling Eyes

traxxe wrote:
3) These changes are making it appear as if we the teachers are the flaw in the system. It is putting blame on a foreign population that is not responsible for the failure of this frequently corrupt and dehumanizing education system. It is an abhorrent attempt at denial of Korean liability that is humiliating in the absurd way we the foreigners are being blamed.


Really? What do you know about what Korean teachers have to go through to gt their jobs? What do you know about what is being done to improve that other than rumors and innuendo that you read from screaming howler monkey whiners like yourself?

"Oh, God! Sad They're blaming everything on us! We're actually having to prove that we're not child molesters before we take jobs in schools teaching children! What's next? We'll have to prove that we can actually drive before they let us drive cars?"

You. Vinegar. Water. Friends.

traxxe wrote:
Just because some foreigners in Gangnam got caught with marijuanna does not make us all pot smoking and drug abusing idiots.


You're a professed pot-smoker, no? You've got problems with your criminal record, too. No? No flippin' wonder you're worried. Still, I bet you're a wonderful teacher. Laughing

Most of us are good teachers. Most of us don't have criminal records other than minor traffic tickets. Let me guess... Yours are a little more.

traxxe wrote:
Just because a terrible rapist taught here does not make us all worthless child abusers.


Exactly. So why does having to show that you aren't one offend you so much? Are you a child molester? Is that on your record? Jeezus... Five minutes at the Clerk of Court and you're done.

traxxe wrote:
Just because Korean women and men come down with a sexually transmitted disease does not mean it was brought here by foreigners and that we are all thus suspect for such actions and behavior.


True. You still think you're in North America? You're funny.

traxxe wrote:
What about these very same hagwon owners who violate their own contracts, lie to parents, and manipulate otherwise kind and generous teachers? Where is our portection to ensure that the people that employ us are mentally fit, not addicted to drugs (Soju?), have a clean criminal history, and are free of diseases?


A) Soju's legal.
B) Here's a prime example of your idiotic double standard. You're stereotyping Koreans and complaining about them doing it to you. Big surprise there.
C) This is the most important one... THEY AREN'T TRYING TO GET A VISA TO COME INTO AND WORK IN ANOTHER COUNTRY. You don't like their visa laws? Get the *beep* out! It doesn't seem that difficult now, does it?

traxxe wrote:
How long do you think these circumstances would hold water if every Korean hagwon owner, teacher, and principle were subjected to the same unjust accusations and magnifying glass that we are?


I'd be willing to bet that 99% of Korean hagwon owners, teachers, and principals would pass a drug, criminal background check, and medical test. You're being absurd and you're making the rest of us look bad.


traxxe wrote:
Where are the changes that solve the root of the problem and not the branches?

Where is the reasonable implimentation of changes at a gradual pace?

Where is the accountability for unethical business practices?

Be careful of the Kool Aid you are drinking tbag.


God, you whine. I've gone back and looked at your posts, and so far I've seen you complain about the Korean customs office searching packages. I've seen you complain about the crimes you have on your background check. You don't think people should get in trouble for fake degrees.

For what should you be held accountable? It seems to me that you were a law-breaker back home and now you want to do the same here. These new laws are designed to kick idiots like you out of this country so that the rest of us can live free of the negative stereotypes that come from people like you.

Educated? I guess you are now.


I'd never thought I'd say it (probably because it's not on the CE forum), but I actually agree with 90% of what Pikanese wrote, bar the pompous bits.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dome Vans wrote:
I'd never thought I'd say it (probably because it's not on the CE forum), but I actually agree with 90% of what Pikanese wrote, bar the pompous bits.


"Fight pomposity with pomposity," I always say.
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The_Eyeball_Kid



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
The_Eyeball_Kid wrote:
You sound like a right *beep*.


TRANSLATION: You're correct, but I won't admit it because then I'd be admitting that I'm wrong. If I had any riposte, I would have shared it. Yet, since I don't, I'll just act magnanimous.


CORRECT TRANSLATION: I've only got five minutes between classes but I happened to scan through your post and was sufficiently ired by your bombastic, arrogant soapboxing that I had to respond, even if only with a slightly juvenile but nevertheless succinct statement of my feelings.

Also, please look up the meaning of the word magnanimous in a dictionary before you use it again.

(I'll respond more thoroughly to your post later, but I have to rush off now.)
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