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What do you think of Taiwan?
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taiwan:
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Lots of good private work and no problems with immigration.
Saved a little less than Korea, but quality of life was MUCH higher.

Yes, I agree with what you've said here. The people are much, much more relaxed than either the Koreans or Japanese.

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It's warm. But after a few weeks, you'll get use to it. Jobs are are over! Work is not a problem. You'll need to get a health check up in order to get your allien ID card, ARC. Blood test, etc.

That's right. You get used to it and in the Winter it is GREAT!!

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One thing for sure, the Chinese school owners, called Bushibans, really want their money's worth! They want workers to work all the time! Unlike korea where the workers have long work days but non productive, the Chinese business owners really push for productivity.

Don't necessarily agree with this - like Korea, it depends on where you work. Some owners are great bosses and othes are pricks.

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Food? Great food! Night life? Just like other places, depends on what you want. Motorcycles? Gesh!! They come out of the woodwork! But at least they are more respectful when compared to koreans.
The food is "okay" but not great. However, very, very, CHEAP!! Also, the motorcycles and cars here are following a law - the LAW OF THE JUNGLE! Lots of peple getting killed everyday on bikes and in cars here and around Taipei. 200 fatalities/month.
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buddy bradley



Joined: 24 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JennyJJ wrote:
Stealing scene?
Good, I think.
The only problem is that if you get caught they just beat the sh*t out of you - none of that messing with the police stuff.


Do you people see? This is a good attitude. I applaude this person.

Satan is not a goat.
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Joe Thanks



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Dudleyville

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Taiwanese are more in tune with privacy and accepting of foreigners - juxtapose to Koreans. Interracial/internatinal relationships are rarely frowned upon and you will not receive harassment from drunken Taiwanese men about this.


The further south you go the less Chinese is spoken and hte more hokklo (or, as loclas call it, "Taiwanese) is spoken.

Food and electronics are cheap. Rent is cheap. No housing descrimnation like South Korea. Foreigners have more rights there, so long as you are not east Asian.

The Taiwanese are not known for efficientcy but they get things done.

You will need to drive outide of Taipei. Traffic there makes Korean traffic look heavenly.

Taiwanese are timid and easy to get along with. They are also not a gracious becasue they accept you asis. The uniqueness and occasional benefits of it in SK occur seldomly in Taiwan. In that respect it's very cosopolitain.

In Korea - small cities have pubs and Koreans enjoy partying.

In Taiwan: good luck. You'll be trekking to the nearest medium-to-large city for a good time.

Alcohol was more expensive in SK but beer was more expensive in Taiwan.

Korean is easier to read and communicate in though Chinese grammar is easy. The problem is most people won't listen to you and the Taiwanese don't adhear to their 4 tones like China does.

It's easier to switch jobs in most of the country (Save Hsinchu - which makes you leave the country and come back).

You are treated as a teacher and less as an indentured servant by most schools.

I liked Taiwan but it is not a safe place outside of Taipei. Traffic is isnanely inhuman, it's dirtier than most of SK, and the government does little for the people. The SARS situation was a great example of that. Lots of finger pointng and little action until it got pretty harsh. It made me reconsider because if there was a big emergency it's every man for himself and god against all - and I don't dig that kind of environment that a government fosters. Koreans have a bigger sense of unity and I think there are more good semaritans there (and, inversely, more evil bastaards too.).


I missed being able to form great freindships outside of the romantic kind. In Taiwan love is easy to find and basically it's very very easy to have as close a life as possible to the one you had in your home while till residing abroad, but "I get by with a little help from my friends."

If i wanted to go drinkin' or runnin' with "the boys" it was almost exclusively fellow expats. That's cool, but a bit sad in a way. In SK you can run with some decent locals too and paint the town red.

I'm back for a year in SK anyway. If Taiwan had a more stable government and civic pride I'd say it was a perfect little place and I would have stayed. I could overlook the corrupt phone company, poor ADSL service and pollution if locals stuck together more and showed cmpassion to each other. It still has a place in my heart though.
Public transit outside of Taipei is pi s s poor. In Korea it's quite good. Same with trains. In Taiwan they feel old and unsafe. In Korea it's rather nice.


Taiwan has better cable.

Oh - travel from Taiwan was easier and cheaper. It's a nice travel hub and it's cheap to fly to Hong KOng and have a great time. Just don't fly China Airlines. It's the kiss of death. It has an atrocious safety record.

Good luck,

Joe
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TECO



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No housing descrimnation like South Korea

I agree, Joe. Also, many foreigners have a hard time in Japan regarding this. Taiwanese are more accepting it seems. No problems finding a place to live.

I agree with this also. A lot of Korean guys don't dig seeing whitey with their women.
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Interracial/internatinal relationships are rarely frowned upon and you will not receive harassment from drunken Taiwanese men about this.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there are at least as many crooks and crooked operations in the EFl scene as in Korea. Many part-time jobs; sometimes not easy to get more than 10-15 hours per week, and not always easy to work two jobs, though some people do two or three. It's almost impossible not to be working illegally in the beginning. And it is crowded, and Taipei is a concrete jungle, and not as many good-looking girls as Korea. And rent can be expensive if you want a place to yourself in Taipei.

But, generally more friendly and accepting of foreigners. I heard the women there like white guys more than Korea. Some jobs are real, and you may have some respect. But some jobs have you as no more than a monkey playing stupid games with spoiled kids. The kids I taught in Taipei for one year were pretty sharp though. Some of them learn a good bit of English in a bilingual kindergarten. And I met a few lovely women, and generally everyone was nice to me. The beer was the worst I ever had along with the Thai crap. And I was bored a lot, didn't even drink for an 8 or 9 month span, so didn't spend a lot. Internet is a bit more expensive. Some good food, some not so good.
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shawner88



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the babes? That's what I want to know about. Are they into foreigners? Are they prettier? What are they like?
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Joe Thanks



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Dudleyville

PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shawner88 wrote:
What about the babes? That's what I want to know about. Are they into foreigners? Are they prettier? What are they like?



Yes - some and your chances are as good as back in your naive country. Cards are rarely stacked against you like in SK. - Some. It's up to the person and personality.

I found Taiwanese women to be more open than Korean women and many were well-traveled. The Korean women who buck the trend and did date me were more not as doubtful about new concepts. I found most Taiwanese gf's a bit traditional. Korean women seemd to understand their bodies a bit more. Taiwanese sex ed is a bit of a joke. Maybe the public bath culture in SK has a part in that. I found Korean women in touch with their body. Taiwanese public baths have folks in bathing suits.

No Joke.

That may be a part of it.

Still, I can't complain about the SK or Tawianese Gf's I had. All were good women and all have a place in my heart.
Oh - Taiwan has a more diverse fashion consiousness. Not as rigid and conformist as Korea. Heavy Japanese influence there.


In Taiwan it all boils down to you. In Sk it's as much environment as you.

Cheers,

Joe


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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heavy Japanese influence in all these countries, my friend.

Japan is the big boy on the block and they all aim to emulate.
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Joe Thanks



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TECO wrote:
Heavy Japanese influence in all these countries, my friend.

Japan is the big boy on the block and they all aim to emulate.


Fashion?

SK is in its own bubble, for the most part. Maybe the chicks who travel are stylin, but most in SK is pretty conservative and Halston-like.


Cheers,

Joe
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shawner88 wrote:
What about the babes? That's what I want to know about. Are they into foreigners? Are they prettier? What are they like?

Ah yes.. my favorite topic.

Korean girls are sexier and better looking on average, and love to get drunk - hey, same as me. How convenient. Wink

Taiwan as everyone said.. is more relaxed.. it feels very comfortable.. very normal. A big bonus is the women in Taiwan actually wear thongs.. and they sell thongs on the street. Plus the Beetlenut girls are kind of cool to see - they are basically more or less like those Korean girls that sing and dance and get hyper into the microphone to drum up business. However the Betel-nuts sit in glass stores and just sell that stuff.

Its hard to say whats better.. I think either one is a nice change from the other - in regards to Korea vs. Taiwan. (I was only in Taiwan for 4 days though, so I can't comment much more past just impressions and taking it all in within that 4-day visit).
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in tW for 3 weeks. The women seemed less stunning than the average korean but a lot more natural and normal. Definitely a higher getting jiggy potential happening there, they actually respect/ look up to westerners a bit more.
But God help me, korean girls are just too hot....
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Joe Thanks



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapier wrote:

But God help me, korean girls are just too hot....



Lol. I guess I don't get that. I get some in SK when I am there, but I find that Korean women look the same and thus I need more dynamic personalities - but they act the same too!

Call Ira Leven - we have the Stepford Penninsula!

Cheers,

Joe


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TECO



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, I was walking around NTU university today here in Taipei and I saw a ton of fine looking girls.

Plenty of hot Chinese girls here.

Not as fashionable as the Japanese but very pretty nevertheless.
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Joe Thanks



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TECO wrote:
You know, I was walking around NTU university today here in Taipei and I saw a ton of fine looking girls.

Plenty of hot Chinese girls here.

Not as fashionable as the Japanese but very pretty nevertheless.



Indeed.

It's all where you look.

Cheers,

Joe
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rapier



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed in TW a proportion of girls have some sort of skin rashes or infections, I guess from the polluted air, or the sheer humidity wreaking havoc with their make up. I even developed a fungal infection during my steamy days on the island.
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