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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I would say no, especially if you're under the 10K paper work figure. People drop off the tax radar for a year no problem. You're not going to trigger any red lights at rev can unless you've been making 60K a year for the last 5 years and then suddenly have no income. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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SeoulShakin wrote: |
The thought of taxes makes my stomach churn. I hate filing taxes.
This is my second contract in Korea, and I didn't file taxes last year at all. This year I suppose I'll have to, since my contract is up at the end of February and I think I'll be going home.
I didn't declare non-residency. I still have my drivers licence, bank account, credit cards, and student line of credit at home. I think I'm screwed.
Does anyone know any way around this? My Mom said she was talking to someone at home whose daughter was in Japan. This woman said something like if you have been out of the country for more than 2 years, you don't have to worry about it? Something like that? Does that sound familiar to anyone, or is my Mom completely nuts? I hope she's right. |
I've hear the 2-year thing before. Maybe that overrides having ties to Canada.
I left Canada in early January 2003. Haven't been back since. My driver's license and provincial health care expired the same year. I haven't filed any taxes since 2002, so I wouldn't be getting any GST checks. Not sure about whether I qualified for any GST or other returns after that. Hmm. Anyway, I'm sure there's nothing there.
Surely I'm a non-resident. No home, no loans, no debts, no house, no car.. NO NOTHING! And I didn't officially start earning any money until I came to Korea in January 2005. By then I was probably just about a non-resident.
The only thing I have back home is a bank account. And I don't send money to it. I sent all my money to my father's bank account.
Looks like I'm in the clear. What are anyone's thoughts on my situation? |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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the two year thing was an old law that got phased out in 2001.
Yingwenlaoshi- you should be fine, you have less ties to Canada than I did, and I didn't have a problem.
SeoulShakin' I'm guessing you'll be fine, but I'm not sure how the credit cards will factor in |
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SeoulShakin

Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Damn it. I hate this.
Well I have 3 credit cards from home. One I paid off completely tonight. One will be completely paid off next payday. Then that will only leave me with one credit card and my student line of credit left.
I hope this will help me. Oh wait, it'll probably hurt me since they can see I've been making payments on it.
I have no idea how this works at all. |
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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It appears that there are no clearly definted criteria as to what would bind one to Canada.
Some say that having a rental property, stocks and cash in bank accounts is enough to tie you to Canada. Others have said that by just having a savings account, student loands, driver's lincense, and credit card are enough to prove ties.
For Yingwenlaoshu, if you have let your provincial health care, driver's license and bank accounts go and haven't been back to Canada in 4 years, you should expect to be deemed a non-resident by the government.
When I came over to Asia years ago - because at that time there was no form to fill out!
The general rule was that if you were out of the country for 2 years, the government looked at you as a non-resident.
I was concerned about this and actually called up Revenue Canada in Vancouver and that's what I was told at the time.
I too have a driver's license, RBC investment account with stocks and a Royal Bank visa and savings account / client card. Still; I haven't paid any taxes since about 1999 and the government hasn't contact tried to contact me. I was also dropped from the British Columbia provincial health care plan at about the same time.
I've never filled out any form declaring non-residency status. |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I am a non-resident, have been that way since 2003.
In Canada I have 4 bank accounts, 2 credit cards and a credit line. I also have a driver's license.
I don't have any health card.
They made me pay back some GST checks they gave me in 2003 but after that it was smooth sailing.
For my one high interest account I called ING and told them I was a non-resident and they started taking off tax from my interest and that seems to work just fine. |
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dpl
Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Location: Ilsan
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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SeoulShakin wrote: |
Damn it. I hate this.
Well I have 3 credit cards from home. One I paid off completely tonight. One will be completely paid off next payday. Then that will only leave me with one credit card and my student line of credit left.
I hope this will help me. Oh wait, it'll probably hurt me since they can see I've been making payments on it.
I have no idea how this works at all. |
Don't worry. I worked out of country for a year 5 years ago, paid off 20000 Gs in student loans, didn't declare for the year in Canada, and have had no problems. I am coming to Korea next week for the same purpose. 1 year here and there you are 99.9% in the clear. |
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earthbound14

Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Location: seoul
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Canadians: did you declare non-residency? |
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Patrique wrote: |
I'm leaving for Korea in just over a week. A friend of mine suggested I declare non-residency in order to avoid paying taxes. However I plan on returning to Canada with less than $10 000 - if I lied about what I had been up to, couldn't I just avoid the whole thing that way? Did any Canadians out there declare non-residency before they left? |
non residency is very easy to claim, one form and that's it. Then you send in another form that says you want to be a resident again and will pay taxes. Then another form for you new medical card. Very easy.
no point in trying to avoid it, it'll only bite you in the butt later. |
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skindleshanks
Joined: 10 May 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: |
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If you're unmarried, having parents (ie, immediate family) living in Canada is considered a fairly strong tie, I've been told. On the other hand if you're married and bring your family with you, that's a strong stroke in your favour. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: |
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skindleshanks wrote: |
If you're unmarried, having parents (ie, immediate family) living in Canada is considered a fairly strong tie, I've been told. On the other hand if you're married and bring your family with you, that's a strong stroke in your favour. |
Nope, the forms don't even ask about parents. It asks about children and spouses only.
Here's a link to the actual form so you can see what they ask about
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/nr73/nr73-07e.pdf |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: |
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My provincial health card expired in May 2005. My driver's license in June 2003. Like I said before, I had have no debt. Had no debt when I left. Nothing. Don't/didn't own a house. Sold my car in December 2002. Receive no monies from anyting accept deposits in my bank account when I was in Taiwan. Last deposit was in January 2005. Whatever that does. Nothing. Christmas money. Maybe a thousand bucks. That doesn't matter though. It's not income. So I probably still have a bank account even thoug it hasn't been used since it's Canada Trust (I hate to type that name because my hotmail account will receive more junk mail - seriously).
So I'm thinking now you have to claim non-residency to be considered a non-resident. The 2-year thing, as one said, isn't in existence now. That worries me a little.
Are you a non-resident as soon as one of whatever coverage/driver's license expires? If so, I've been a non-resident ever since my health card expired since May 2005. I started legally working in Korea in March 2005. Would mean I owe whatever difference in taxes for March, April, and maybe May to Revenue Canada.
Thing is, if Revenue Canada want to tax you for working overseas, you can claim air fare and whatever else you can think of.
I'm lucky because when I worked in Taiwan, it was all illegal. Every last bit. Didn't enter on an working visa. In fact, overstayed my welcome by a year and a half. |
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kimchi story

Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
skindleshanks wrote: |
If you're unmarried, having parents (ie, immediate family) living in Canada is considered a fairly strong tie, I've been told. On the other hand if you're married and bring your family with you, that's a strong stroke in your favour. |
Nope, the forms don't even ask about parents. It asks about children and spouses only.
Here's a link to the actual form so you can see what they ask about
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/nr73/nr73-07e.pdf |
The critical point on the nc-73 comes near the bottom of the second page, in the Statement of Residency box. The answers are yes, yes, no.
If you are single and don't own property back home and were gone for more than eight months of the tax year, I'd say you might as well simply claim the basic personal for that year and stay off the radar. |
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biggpoppa
Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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i'm still a little confused on the whole topic now...i was going by a friend's piece of advice as he told me just to put 0 in the income for my following year...i worked most of 2007 so i have income to claim on that...now that i'm in korea, i'll be bring home probably about 12-15k with me and i'm working here for a year and going back home...i finish aug. 2008...so technically i won't be out of the country for more than 8 months of a tax year...would you suggest i claim anything when i get back, or would the nice 0 i want to put in the income box suffice? |
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kimcheechochy
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't declare non-residency. Some people apply, and they don't get approved. So, they already know about you.
If you ever do get audited, just tell them you were travelling. Believe me, they won't go through the hassel of trying to communicate with the Korean government. Government is just too inefficient to do that. |
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Newbie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I would LOVE some help on this one:
I've been here since 2003, but didn't cancel my OHIP. Can I send in the forms now and have it backdated to 2003? That is my only significant tie to Canada.
As well, the forms keep saying "for those leaving Canada PERMANENTLY". Should I just ignore the "permanently" part? |
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