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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| All you wrote, excuse me, whined about was how "Korean educators don't have to go through all that stuff!" Wanna take a guess why? IT'S BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT HERE HAS ACCESS TO THEIR CRIMINAL RECORDS. That's why we have to get background checks. Do you understand that point yet? |
Again, you're talking out of your backside. The Korean government does not check hagwon teachers or owners for any of these things. Nor will it be checking Korean-Americans or people married to Koreans who are foreigners.
I understand your point. You just are making it despite several attempts to inform you that you are talking about the wrong subject. Maybe they check public school individuals. They do not check hagwon teachers and owners for these things.
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THE KOREAN GOVERNMENT HAS ACCESS TO THE CRIMINAL RECORDS OF KOREANS. THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO OUR CRIMINAL RECORDS. THAT IS WHY WE GET THE BACKGROUND CHECKS.
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Yawn. Just because you type it in capital letters does not make any less idiotic than the prior times you have said it. For your sake though I'll try it your way:
THEY DO NOT DO BACKGROUND CHECKS ON HAGWON OWNERS OR HAGWON TEACHERS! HELLO! READ THAT PLEASE!
Thus the policy is racist. Foreign hagwon teachers are going through standards the Koreans are not. Foreigners without Korean blood or spouses are going through standards also the Koreans are not.
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Koreans can't help the jackasses that are born here, but they can sure as *beep* prevent the import of jackasses.
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Exactly, you said this well. Koreans cannot help the jackasses that are born here. They should however protect their kids from them. They should not think applying standards only to one set of foreigners will solve their problem. That is racism. Racism is injustice.
For your degree concerns:
I don't think I would get mad at someone from a 3rd world country who faked a degree in order to relieve them and their family from their circumstances in said country. I think Americans have equal opportunity to educate themselves and work (that's what I did) and there is no excuse for a fake degree from one that could really ever be plausible.
I'm thinking of the broad moral issue and not just saying its okay for an westerner to fake a degree.
That's off this topic though so I'll concede to you that I'm not even sure on my final thinking on that subjet in terms of ethics and morality and we can call that a closed issue.
I think we both agree that changes are in the best interest of protecting children.
I think they should apply to everyone and not single out one group of conveinent foreigners.
You think it's okay to do such just because we are 'guests' in another country.
We are guest... guests that generate revenue for the country. We pay taxes, support the economy, and help people.
I'm for most of these changes with some revisions and executed in a more gradual and less racist manner.
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| And, if he or any other child molester decides to come to Korea, they'll not be allowed to come. You're thinking in the past, while everyone else is looking into the future. This will prevent convicted child molesters from coming to Korea in the future. Understand? Need pictures? |
That's a really noble idea and I think you'd find a wide audience of people who would agree with you that convicted child molester don't belong in Korea, especially around children. But don't forget that CPN was never even charged on any such crimes in his home country. His crimes were in S.E. Asia where many pedophiles go to get away with their crimes. Perhaps Korea should look into the reports for wanted criminals in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos where so many of them exist. Why stop with the home country? Make it a worldwide check. Korea needs to boost their international intelligence to prevent these offenders from getting into Korea. They don't even need to have applicants produce such checks if their files were kept up to look out for certain names on the most wanted lists around the world. |
Perhaps Korea could do a lot of things, such as ask E-2 visa candidates to provide a criminal background check.
And, you seem to base the non-necessity of this on one person who would have fallen through the cracks. What about the people who will now be prevented from coming to Korea?
The future, man. The future. |
Firstly, Korea is indeed starting to require E2 applicants to provide CRCs from their home countries. But is that enough?! I'm saying that doesn't go far enough AT ALL! You are completely missing my point. Secondly, there's a real good possibility that thousands of potentially very good teachers with no criminal records could be denied an E2 visa simply because it's impossible for them to have the CRCs done in any reasonable amount of time, let alone the ones who can't get them notarized properly (i.e. Canadians.). |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| the policy is racist. |
If the same requirements are not made of the Chinese and Japanese E2 applicants, then I'll agree with you 100% and if that should come to pass then I'll also encourage other teachers to high tail it out of Korea on the next fast boat. I'd say protest but that is illegal for foreigners. You could go to jail for that and get deported along with fines. |
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Yesterday
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Ummm.......
From my understanding, isn't there an FBI field office in Seoul that is ran out of Yongsan or they might have a laison officer working out of the embassy? (I remember this because the day after that exchange student was murdered, I saw several Americans combing the hotel wearing those FBI jackets)
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I saw a sign at YongSan once that was along side the CID office on Main Post....
Could they process CRCs there instead of having to go through the expense of having it done back home?
If you guys want to inquire, the base operator number is 02-7913-1110 and see if there is indeed an FBI field office there..... |
There is a small FBI office located inside the US embassy in Seoul...
I know - because I am currently helping them to do something...
(I can't tell you what - because its secret)... |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| traxxe wrote: |
| Again, you're talking out of your backside. The Korean government does not check hagwon teachers or owners for any of these things. Nor will it be checking Korean-Americans or people married to Koreans who are foreigners.. |
So what you're telling me is that they check the information of people with no vested interest in Korea, while they don't check the information of people with a vested interest in Korea. Interesting...
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| I understand your point. You just are making it despite several attempts to inform you that you are talking about the wrong subject. Maybe they check public school individuals. They do not check hagwon teachers and owners for these things. |
And you know this how? It's my understanding that hagwons have to have a license to operate, and those licenses are given by the Ministry of Education. You don't think that maybe they look to see if a potential hagwon owner has sex offenses on his or her record before they issue the license? Interesting...
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Yawn. Just because you type it in capital letters does not make any less idiotic than the prior times you have said it. For your sake though I'll try it your way:
THEY DO NOT DO BACKGROUND CHECKS ON HAGWON OWNERS OR HAGWON TEACHERS! HELLO! READ THAT PLEASE! |
You don't think so? Hahaha. Of course hagwon owners have to apply for their licenses, and it is up to the owner to decide about his or her employees. The government isn't responsible for them getting into the country.
However, the government is responsible for us getting into the country. You don't see the difference? Interesting...
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| Thus the policy is racist. Hagwon teachers are going through standards the Koreans are not. Foreigners without Korean blood or spouses are going through standards also the Koreans are not. |
Racist? I have Korean-American friends that will have to go through the same process. I have white friends that will have to go through the same process. I have black friends that will have to go through the same process. I have Chinese-American friends that will have to go through the same process.
You think that it's racist? Interesting...
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| Exactly, you said this well. Koreans cannot help the jackasses that are born here. They should however protect their kids from them. They should not think applying standards only to one set of foreigners will solve their problem. That is racism. Racism is injustice. |
See above.
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| I think we both agree that changes are in the best interest of protecting children. |
Actually, I think it's an election year scheme to get votes and polarize the electorate. But, I know that I'm a guest in someone else's country.
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You think it's okay to do such just because we are 'guests' in another country.
We are guest... guests that generate revenue for the country. We pay taxes, support the economy, and help people. |
Since you obviously failed economics, let me let you in on something. We don't generate revenue for this country. We take money out of this country.
But, I think that it can be understood that we are not going to see eye to eye on this. Let's just leave it at that. |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| You sound like a right *beep*. |
TRANSLATION: You're correct, but I won't admit it because then I'd be admitting that I'm wrong. If I had any riposte, I would have shared it. Yet, since I don't, I'll just act magnanimous. |
CORRECT TRANSLATION: I've only got five minutes between classes but I happened to scan through your post and was sufficiently ired by your bombastic, arrogant soapboxing that I had to respond, even if only with a slightly juvenile but nevertheless succinct statement of my feelings.
Also, please look up the meaning of the word magnanimous in a dictionary before you use it again.
(I'll respond more thoroughly to your post later, but I have to rush off now.) |
Since you must not know the definition of the word, I'll share it with you. I'll even highlight the one that pertains to you.
1. generous in forgiving an insult or injury; free from petty resentfulness or vindictiveness: to be magnanimous toward one's enemies.
2. high-minded; noble
3. proceeding from or revealing generosity or nobility of mind, character, etc.: a magnanimous gesture of forgiveness.
Yes, you were trying to act noble, as if you are in a position to judge me. Truth be told, your posts are always full of piss and vinegar. You said yourself that you would be out of this bleepity-bleep-bleep country. Go. |
It's hardly requiring of 'nobility' to speak down to the likes of you, is it? Where do you place yourself, exactly? I don't think you properly understood the meaning of magnanimous but used it anyway. Just admit it. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| It's hardly requiring of 'nobility' to speak down to the likes of you, is it? Where do you place yourself, exactly? I don't think you properly understood the meaning of magnanimous but used it anyway. Just admit it. |
You don't speak "down" to me. You should count your blessings I give you my acknowledgement. Regardless, you are nothing but a.... Well, maybe I should use a picture so you understand.
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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I talked to the owner of my school about the licensing requirements. I discussed in detail the issue of background checks and hagwon responsibility.
As I've said before. I cannot speak for public schools.
I understand what you are saying. The government is indeed responsible for allowing us in the country. The government is also responsible for protecting the children within the country. Can we agree that these changes should be implimented to everyone and not just single out foreigners? Shouldn't everyone be held to the same standards if it is in the best interest of children?
I think a lot of this is spurred by the election cycle, yes. I think that plays a large role in that these changes are to be made before election day.
You may be right about the economics of our presence here being one that drains money. I'm not an economics major or have not studied economics enough to dispute you. I will give you that point.
I think we agree that we disagree. You have your opinions and I have mine.
At least we are able to voice them. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Could they process CRCs there instead of having to go through the expense of having it done back home?
If you guys want to inquire, the base operator number is 02-7913-1110 and see if there is indeed an FBI field office there..... |
There is a small FBI office located inside the US embassy in Seoul...
I know - because I am currently helping them to do something...
(I can't tell you what - because its secret)... |
 There's an FBI office at EVERY U.S. Embassy around the world. And for the umteenth time, they DO NOT do criminal record checks. The embassy will only help you with finger prints. |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:59 am Post subject: |
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| Racist? I have Korean-American friends that will have to go through the same process. |
I have one last question:
Do you have Korean-American friends who will not have to go through this process? You know, the ones on the F4 visa who are only one or two generations out of Korea who have never lived here to have records and who may be convicted sex offenders, drug addicts and STD carriers?
Of course anyone more than 2 generations has been overseas long enough to have acquired these things. Surely not someone one or two generations removed though.
Why don't they target F4 visa holders as well?
Simple.
Their extended families are still here and they are still voting next month. That and they are still pure enough Korean to overcome AIDS with kimche. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:02 am Post subject: |
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I talked to the owner of my school about the licensing requirements. I discussed in detail the issue of background checks and hagwon responsibility.
As I've said before. I cannot speak for public schools.
I understand what you are saying. The government is indeed responsible for allowing us in the country. The government is also responsible for protecting the children within the country. Can we agree that these changes should be implimented to everyone and not just single out foreigners? Shouldn't everyone be held to the same standards if it is in the best interest of children?
I think a lot of this is spurred by the election cycle, yes. I think that plays a large role in that these changes are to be made before election day.
You may be right about the economics of our presence here being one that drains money. I'm not an economics major or have not studied economics enough to dispute you. I will give you that point.
I think we agree that we disagree. You have your opinions and I have mine.
At least we are able to voice them. |
Indeed. Cheers. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| Racist? I have Korean-American friends that will have to go through the same process. |
I have one last question:
Do you have Korean-American friends who will not have to go through this process? You know, the ones on the F4 visa who are only one or two generations out of Korea who have never lived here to have records and who may be convicted sex offenders, drug addicts and STD carriers?
Of course anyone more than 2 generations has been overseas long enough to have acquired these things. Surely not someone one or two generations removed though.
Why don't they target F4 visa holders as well?
Simple.
Their extended families are still here and they are still voting next month. That and they are still pure enough Korean to overcome AIDS with kimche. |
No, my friends are 2nd generation American citizens. They'll have to go through the whole thing. They aren't too worried about it, though. |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Ummm.......
From my understanding, isn't there an FBI field office in Seoul that is ran out of Yongsan or they might have a laison officer working out of the embassy? (I remember this because the day after that exchange student was murdered, I saw several Americans combing the hotel wearing those FBI jackets)
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I saw a sign at YongSan once that was along side the CID office on Main Post....
Could they process CRCs there instead of having to go through the expense of having it done back home?
If you guys want to inquire, the base operator number is 02-7913-1110 and see if there is indeed an FBI field office there..... |
There is a small FBI office located inside the US embassy in Seoul...
I know - because I am currently helping them to do something...
(I can't tell you what - because its secret)... |
Good God...another crazy. A few years ago another guy said he was working for the FBI in Korea and he alone brought about the downfall of the deadly Nigerian Gang. This poster was insane...so insane...I still remember the PM's he would send me.
Note to Crazy People
---The FBI usually doesn't need the help of English teachers. If you are on this board then you are , were or will be an English teacher, regardless of what you think you are today. Accept what you are and live with it. |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| It's hardly requiring of 'nobility' to speak down to the likes of you, is it? Where do you place yourself, exactly? I don't think you properly understood the meaning of magnanimous but used it anyway. Just admit it. |
You don't speak "down" to me. You should count your blessings I give you my acknowledgement. Regardless, you are nothing but a.... Well, maybe I should use a picture so you understand.
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I disagree with you ergo cognito I'm a troll. You, sir, have a very obnoxious personality.
I think what most people object is not having to submit to a criminal record check (which is quite reasonable so long as it doesn't require too much bureaucratic hoopla), but the fact that these increased regulations are being foisted unilaterally upon us by an organization that has granted itself powers extraordinary to the requirements and economic realities of society and its own professed raison d'etre in order to exploit the media hype around a criminal case so that it might score political points off a highly visible minority. YOU might not have a problem with that, Uncle Tom, but I most certainly do.
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Craven Moorehead
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| What the eyeball kid said. In spades. Oh, and nice avatar kid, Un Chien Andalou is a great watch. |
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