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Hagwon whinges - episode 1654
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bejarano-korea



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: Hagwon whinges - episode 1654 Reply with quote

I got a rebuke from the gaffer last night:

"Do you tell the kids to 'shut up' in class"

"Yes I do"

"Why do you do that"

"Because they are talking while I'm teaching/trying to take a class test/
or speaking to me in Korean"

"Can you not say 'please be quiet' or something else?"

"I do, but they understand 'shut up' much better"

"Please don't do that - it is not our culture and I don't like it"

"Well.. how am I going to get them to shut the hell.."

"Please don't do it"

"Hmmm OK"

Also, yesterday was monthly test and report time and as I was writing out the student evaluations. I came across 'Adam's' report. Adam a semi-retarded, possible future delinquent who has the language learning capabilities of a drugged up baboon got an A.

"Hmm... director, why has Adam got an 'A' ?"

"Hmmmmmmm well errrrrrm"

"Do you not think an 'A' grade is a bit high"

"Well he is good at grammar, and his writing is good"

"It isn't that good, and his behaviour and his attitude in class deserves a Z, I persoanlly think a lower mark would be far applicable"

But Adam marched out of school last night with his A. Evil or Very Mad Whereas better students than him were given a 'B', no-one got lower than a 'B' by the way.

All this is one big con... this hagwon has as many aspects of school as a Butlins holiday camp Rolling Eyes But why drag my arse 10,000 miles to be involved in it! Evil or Very Mad

Also I only got half a months pay for the first month "Because you came on the 16th" I don't remember reading that on the contract! You slimy Hagwon pirate!


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Jellypah



Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should say, "Please, boys and girls, if you wouldn't mind and it's not too much trouble, could you possibly SHAAAAAAADDDDDUUUUUPPPPP!!"
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bejarano-korea



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jellypah wrote:
You should say, "Please, boys and girls, if you wouldn't mind and it's not too much trouble, could you possibly SHAAAAAAADDDDDUUUUUPPPPP!!"


Thats the style I do it in 'SHURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUP' Because I'm a northern Englishman... the kids laugh and say 'shurrrrrup' to each other when they are talking while I'm trying to teach. Laughing
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found at my PS that a quick, deafening finger whistle does the trick. My co-teachers say that's fine, and it shuts up a class of 30 students directly. It's also funny to see them attempt to do it as well, and they can't, what a shame.

I doubt in Hogwanland this would "they way we do it." Shame really.
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matthews_world



Joined: 15 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you're a newb.

Keep at it. You're learning the ropes.

Best thing to do is to show the director that you love the kids.

Your attitude needs a bit of adjustment. Once you pass throught the culture shock phase then things will get a bit easier.

Don't be afraid to ask questions to your boss and co-teachers. Establish some sort of rapport with them. Your year will go by much faster.
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Jellypah



Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't say "shut up" too often, but I have in some cases after I've asked them to be quiet many times and I've finally had it. The kids used to be shocked, but I've explained that "shut up" isn't really bad back home. I demonstrate how someone might use it like
"Wow! I just saw an alligator in the river!"
"Shut UP!!!"

If I've said it all serious (usually, "awww, man, shut up!") the kids realize I'm serious about needing their attention.

I wonder who complained to the director that you'd said it? You could try bringing a ruler to class and a couple sharp WHACKS coupled with a "YA!" might get them settled down. How about "shut your wee mouths?" Would that be ok?

My brother told me to "shut my mush-hole" on the phone the other night. I thought that was funny.
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: Hagwon whinges - episode 1654 Reply with quote

bejarano-korea wrote:
Also I only got half a months pay for the first month "Because you came on the 16th" I don't remember reading that on the contract! You slimy Hagwon pirate!


So you only worked for a half a month but you still expected to paid for a full month?

There are no free lunches no matter where in world you are. Try that one back home and watch you boss laugh in your face.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jellypah wrote:
I don't say "shut up" too often, but I have in some cases after I've asked them to be quiet many times and I've finally had it..

I always say it politely at first, either a "Quiet, please" or "Quiet down, please" or "Listen, please". I would repeat it politely again, and if there were no results I'd throw out the shut up. Sometimes it worked, sometimes not.

These days however, I don't bother with the shut up anymore. I ask politely for silence, and if I don't get it I just stand there. And wait. And wait. And sigh loudly. And wait. (oh, I can be patient). Sooner or later one of them will notice that I'm waiting and THEY will tell the others to shut up (hey, did you hear "닥쳐!"? Yeah, me neither...*innocent whistle*)
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said "shut up" to my students in the States. How do you get them to "shut the hell up?" You learn how to control a class.

As for getting paid for half a month when you only worked half a month, damn, it's a good thing you're teaching English and not math.
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:

These days however, I don't bother with the shut up anymore. I ask politely for silence, and if I don't get it I just stand there. And wait. And wait. And sigh loudly. And wait. (oh, I can be patient). Sooner or later one of them will notice that I'm waiting and THEY will tell the others to shut up (hey, did you hear "닥쳐!"? Yeah, me neither...*innocent whistle*)


I stare at my watch and count out by fives. Whatever number they get to is that number of squats.

There are some boys who will repeat every number I say until their classmates finally beat them down. I make that student do an extra 20 squats or whatever.

It's starting to work quite well. Like anything else involving humans (especially large groups of humans) it takes time.


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vdowd



Joined: 11 Feb 2003
Location: Iksan

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Control Reply with quote

I just write time on the board and add to it at 5-10 second intervals. At the end the students stay over for that time to focus. It took at bit of "time" at the beginning - but now when I put up a "T" or "Ti" the class falls silent or the students make other student "shut up" because they know I will do it - I will stay during the break period.


At first in March, April, it could be 5-4, 2-3 minutes respectively, then 1 minute - and I only had a 10 minute break and so did they. I have not had to use this since June at all and I have praised my students about that - start out strong and be prepared to wait it out. As I said, now I don't even get to finish the word and all become quiet and attentive.

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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
These days however, I don't bother with the shut up anymore. I ask politely for silence, and if I don't get it I just stand there. And wait. And wait. And sigh loudly. And wait. (oh, I can be patient). Sooner or later one of them will notice that I'm waiting and THEY will tell the others to shut up (hey, did you hear "닥쳐!"? Yeah, me neither...*innocent whistle*)


same here. i'm continually surprised at how fast it works too! i refuse to ever talk over them now, so when they start talking, i don't even ask for them to be quiet, i just stop talking.
it never takes longer than 2 minutes for the entire class of 43-45 kids to be quiet. they police themselves and i find the kids are nastier to each other than i feel it's appropriate for me to be.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bad part is when one kid knows how to whistle, and he will do it over and over and over again.

Dome Vans wrote:
I found at my PS that a quick, deafening finger whistle does the trick. My co-teachers say that's fine, and it shuts up a class of 30 students directly. It's also funny to see them attempt to do it as well, and they can't, what a shame.

I doubt in Hogwanland this would "they way we do it." Shame really.
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure you keep a record of only being paid half a month: bank statement, receipt, etc. You may need it at the end of your contract.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think i ever had a teacher tell me to "Shut up" even though i was a chatterbox.
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