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| Who were the First? |
| The Sex Pistols |
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31% |
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| Johny Thunders and the Heartbreakers |
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6% |
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| The New York Dolls |
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17% |
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| Iggy Pop and the Stooges |
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| The Ramones |
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17% |
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chicagorick

Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Location: 1060 W. Addison
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Greekfreak

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Check out Jerry Lee Lewis' "Live At The Star Club" album, and you'll see that punk existed way before any of your selections.
Real punk rock was basically rock 'n' roll with louder amps and safety pins. And without the New York Dolls, Steve Jones never learns how to play.
So out of your list, the NY Dolls are the only choice.
Hell, Serge Gainsbourg was punk.
Elements of The Who begat punk. Same with Eddie Cochran, The Kingsmen, Buddy Holly, etc. You can trace a line throughout all those bands through the years. |
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genezorm

Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Location: Mokpo
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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i think "the first punk band" as you are calling it is likely a group no one has heard of
maybe some cavemen banging a drum and rocks and grunting
i think you are looking for the first group who garnered a lot of mainstream media attention and were labeled with the term "punk" by the look of the choices of you poll |
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legalquestions
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| either the Who or the Stones |
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chachee99

Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Location: Seoul Korea
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| I don't know if the Sex Pistols were the first band to introduce punk music. However, I will argue they were the first band to convey purest attitude of punk, especially Sid Vicious. The guy couldn't play the bass at all. He sucked at the bass so much they would unplug his guitar from the amplifier. What made him such an icon was how he behaved on stage. That dude just didn't give a sh!t. It wasn't a stage act either. It was the way he was really was. Johnny Rotton may have been a bad ass, but he couldn't hold a candle compared to Sid. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Actually, in 'End Of The Century' the Ramones talk about how the Sex Pistols and the Clash basically took what they were doing and sold it to a more receptive audience (The British). And considering that their first album came out a full year before the Pistols' and included a song called 'Judy Is A Punk', that would seem true enough.
Those other bands might have dabbled a bit and inspired the future punks, but they never completely got there with their attitudes or their music... the Velvets wrote about tough things, but they were too smart about it and wrote great songs with heaps of textures that at times showed too much sensitivity. The NY Dolls were too much into make-up, weird clothes and kitsch. The Stooges don't count because they wrote songs that lasted more than three minutes.
The Ramones played short songs that got to the point, didn't screw around with all kinds of solos and instrumentation, barely learned how to play their instruments, used nothing but power chords, and basically knew exactly what they were doing. Their concerts were a half hour long with no breaks between songs. |
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Dexter Sword

Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| genezorm wrote: |
i think "the first punk band" as you are calling it is likely a group no one has heard of
maybe some cavemen banging a drum and rocks and grunting
i think you are looking for the first group who garnered a lot of mainstream media attention and were labeled with the term "punk" by the look of the choices of you poll |
Right. And that would be the Sex Pistols. End of.
If people are going to continually list bands, performers who broke with convention and held an irreverance for previous musical tenets, you could call Mozart punk.
Since there are no actually musical tenets to punk, the first punk band would be the one who first performed under that label. |
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newton kabiddles
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| The Ramones did something no one ever did before but they were not punk rock. They were the first high speed American ROCK N ROLL band. There's no doubt their ideas influenced the first Punk Rock bands that came out of England, but they were not a Punk Rock band. They're a simple, hard and fast progression of American RNR from the 50's. Punk was something that came out of England and influenced California bands in America. The Ramones just kept doing what they had always done - they played rock and roll. They were never punk. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| newton kabiddles wrote: |
| The Ramones did something no one ever did before but they were not punk rock. They were the first high speed American ROCK N ROLL band. There's no doubt their ideas influenced the first Punk Rock bands that came out of England, but they were not a Punk Rock band. They're a simple, hard and fast progression of American RNR from the 50's. Punk was something that came out of England and influenced California bands in America. The Ramones just kept doing what they had always done - they played rock and roll. They were never punk. |
I completely disagree with everything you just said. 'High speed rock n roll'??? So what, 'White Riot' isn't a Ramones song with a British accent? |
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