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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: Venezuela could get interesting... |
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Venezuela threatens to cut oil exports to U.S
CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela's leftist President Hugo Chavez said on Friday he will cut oil sales to the United States if the American government interferes in Sunday's referendum aimed at allowing him to run for reelection indefinitely.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071130/wl_nm/venezuela_oil_dc
So if Chavez wins, no problem. But should he lose, then it's all the fault of the US. Hmmm. That boy is turning into a pest. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Election rhetoric. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Venezuela could get interesting... |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Venezuela threatens to cut oil exports to U.S
CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela's leftist President Hugo Chavez said on Friday he will cut oil sales to the United States if the American government interferes in Sunday's referendum aimed at allowing him to run for reelection indefinitely.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071130/wl_nm/venezuela_oil_dc
So if Chavez wins, no problem. But should he lose, then it's all the fault of the US. Hmmm. That boy is turning into a pest. |
Whatever.
The US is the only country with capacity to refine his oil into a usable petroleum product. His generous social welfare program is pegged to the US petroleum market. What is that old saying?
Money talks, Bullshit walks. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: Venezuela could get interesting... |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Venezuela threatens to cut oil exports to U.S
CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela's leftist President Hugo Chavez said on Friday he will cut oil sales to the United States if the American government interferes in Sunday's referendum aimed at allowing him to run for reelection indefinitely.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071130/wl_nm/venezuela_oil_dc
So if Chavez wins, no problem. But should he lose, then it's all the fault of the US. Hmmm. That boy is turning into a pest. |
Whatever.
The US is the only country with capacity to refine his oil into a usable petroleum product. His generous social welfare program is pegged to the US petroleum market. What is that old saying?
Money talks, Bullshit walks. |
He didn't say end, he said cut. A small cut is enough to create some havoc in this oil market. We're averaging about 1,142,000 n/d in imports from Venezuela in recent months (EIA). A cut of just the 142,000 would set tongues wagging.
BTW, folks, this is what we call an "above-ground" factor in the whole Peak Oil issue. (Peak Oil is not just about oil production and consumption.) |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Election rhetoric. |
an election that will probably be rigged a bit. The "no" vote will probably have to get a substantial majority for Chavez not to declare "yes" the winner. And if that does happen, he'll probably come up with some BS such as blaming the US for his loss. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| ...probably be rigged a bit. The "no" vote... |
I understand the Chavez govt records who votes which way (from Venezuelan colleagues and friends). And the govt harasses those who vote against Chavez: harder to find work, etc. People even have to wear red shirts everywhere in some cases and in some jobs. Those who do not experience all kinds of difficulties.
Further, he uses his oil money (I think it is more his personal political device now than Venezuela's resource) to cultivate support not only in domestic elections but in the anti-American alliance he hopes to build in Latin America and the Caribbean.
Chavez, for example, recently offered to fund Chile's Transantiago public-transportation system upgrade (new, cleaner buses from Brazil; streamlined bus routes and service; standardized fare-paying swipe-cards for buses and the Metro; and extended Metro service -- all very sweet by the way, but for the long lines to catch a bus, up to five-blocks long during rush hours). The Chilean govt declined this offer, however, grasping Chavez's crude attempt to create a kind of dependency relationship there -- or at least oblige the Chilean govt to return favors to him, probably at UN and OAS votes, etc.
Chavez won no friends in Chile when he forced himself into the old Chilean-Bolivian dispute over a Bolivian corridor to the sea and tried to dictate a solution. I could have told him if he asked: the best way to keep your friends in Chile is to always, always, always stay out of that business -- and even if they ask you for your opinion, your opinion should be that this is the Chileans' and Bolivians' affair. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: ... |
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| I understand the Chavez govt records who votes which way (from Venezuelan colleagues and friends). And the govt harasses those who vote against Chavez: harder to find work, etc. |
Damn those anti-establishment nincompoops.
I think they might get tasered.
When the police come...
Ho hum. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| the old Chilean-Bolivian dispute over a Bolivian corridor to the sea |
At one time the Bolivians had admirals for their non-existent naval fleet in their non-existent port. Do you know if they still do? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| the old Chilean-Bolivian dispute over a Bolivian corridor to the sea |
At one time the Bolivians had admirals for their non-existent naval fleet in their non-existent port. Do you know if they still do? |
They do, indeed, still have a navy. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| ...their non-existent naval fleet in their non-existent port. |
They maintain a small, sometimes just ceremonial, force to patrol various rivers and Titicaca. Bolivia ranks among the hemisphere's poorest countries. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| If Chavez has Venezuala refuse to sell to the US, the American respose should be a total embargo of Venezuala. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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the American respose should be a total embargo of Venezuala.
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Good idea. That has worked so well with Cuba for the last 50 years. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Election rhetoric. |
an election that will probably be rigged a bit. The "no" vote will probably have to get a substantial majority for Chavez not to declare "yes" the winner. And if that does happen, he'll probably come up with some BS such as blaming the US for his loss. |
Ya, and if and Chavez wins the opposition will no doubt cry wolf and pretend that the election was rigged because they didn't win. They tried similar crap in earlier elections despite the fact that the hundreds of foreign observers all said that the previous elections were indeed free and fair. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Election rhetoric. |
an election that will probably be rigged a bit. The "no" vote will probably have to get a substantial majority for Chavez not to declare "yes" the winner. And if that does happen, he'll probably come up with some BS such as blaming the US for his loss. |
Ya, and if and Chavez wins the opposition will no doubt cry wolf and pretend that the election was rigged because they didn't win. They tried similar crap in earlier elections despite the fact that the hundreds of foreign observers all said that the previous elections were indeed free and fair. |
those observers won't be there for this one though. hmmm |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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those observers won't be there for this one though. hmmm |
Really? Then how do you explain the following?
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November 30th 2007, by ABN
Caracas, 29 Nov. ABN.- The National Electoral Council (CNE) announced that observers from 39 countries will guarantee a clean voting process during the referendum for constitutional reform to be held this Sunday, December 2nd.
On Thursday, the CNE distributed the International Accompaniment Program for the Referendum on Constitutional Reform.
Included in the list of observers are representatives of Antigua and Barbuda, Germany, Argentina, Belgium, Benin, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Chile, Ecuador, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Spain, United States, Philippines, Finland, France, Ghana, Greece, Guatemala, Guyana, Holland, Honduras, England, Italy, Mali, Namibia, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Dominican Republic, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Senegal, Switzerland, Surinam and Uruguay. |
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/newsbrief/2927 |
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