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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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| Where does Korea get its logic? |
I'm sorry but your question contains two self-cancelling terms. Please rephrase. |
My friends and I call it klogic. Got that from someone on these boards. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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OMG...you're absolutely right....there is NO logic in Korea...
Of course I'll rephrase my question.....
~~ Where does K-logic come from? |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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To the OP: You are half American, and half ancient Mongolian.
Don't bother with the more recent term people on this peninsula are using to describe the mixing of Mongolian, Chinese and Japanese blood which resides here. |
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oh_daesu
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
To the OP: You are half American, and half ancient Mongolian.
Don't bother with the more recent term people on this peninsula are using to describe the mixing of Mongolian, Chinese and Japanese blood which resides here. |
Mediterranean/Asian 
"Kotalian"
How about just "Jeannie"? 
Jeannie, don't take for granted the fact that you would not exist if you weren't genetically and/or culturally Italian/Korean. You would have never been born otherwise. Don't take for granted the fact that you are lucky to be who you are and alive.
There is no responsibility for Koreans in Korea to welcome you with open arms and "take you in" as a native even if you were a so-called "pure-blood". They have no accountability to make you feel at home.
You are responsible and you have to hold yourself accountable for your own (perception of) identity. "Get a hold of yourself", and I don't say that in the harsh, accusing tone it's always said in. Do not give anyone else the power to decide who and what you are, not even in the broadest sense. Just don't give it to 'em. Keep it for yourself. Don't share that power with anyone else except maybe with your husband and child.
Instead, from now on, everyday, every-single-day, be the person you know you're supposed to be. Put that out. If some Koreans create an issue or give you the "treatment" over the fact that you're not really one of them.... well, it is indeed a fact. You're not one of them. Smile and move on or just move on. Let them be.
If some Koreans like you and want to be your friend and couldn't care less that you're of mixed ethnicity then... Let them be. 
btw, you're more "mixed" than you know... well, at least historically if not completely genetically. Take a look at the history of that other peninsula your ancestors came from, you know, the one shaped like a boot...  |
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bijjy
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll second that. The number one question Koreans ask me is "Your mother didn't speak to you in Korean?" No, she didn't. Dammit. Things would be a lot easier here if she had. |
Heck yes. My mother just didn't see the point, she says. We were living and being raised in England, with an English dad. She's always told me over and over how difficult it is to learn another language and live in that land... funnily enough, she isn't particularly keen on me learning Korean here either, other than to just help me get around. |
I agree. To all new parents, make sure your kid grows up knowing the native language of BOTH parents. Language is the key to culture and without it your kid will grow up a little more ignorant of all the generations that came before him, as well as have a hard time keeping in touch with relatives. I don't know why there are so many asian mothers of the 60's, 70's and 80's who decided not to teach their kids their language.
My mom cited the same reasons.. "I was the only asian in a small caucasian town; it was hard enough to raise you let alone be the only one talking to you in Chinese." |
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Countrygirl
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
Location: in the classroom
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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My children are mixed. While living in Canada I did my best to raise my kids to learn Korean - Korean 'hogwan', Korean babysitters, and I even joined a Korean church to help my children with their Korean and to give my husband a place to relax and feel comfortable. So I was shocked when one of the mothers at the church told my daughter that she wasn't Korean. We had gone to that church for 5 years and they knew that we lived a Korean lifestyle. I mean, my daughter could write Hangul and her daughter couldn't.
When I expressed my outrage to my husband, he said that she was just jealous and that no, our kids will never be considered Korean. He said that our kids will be exotic and special because they will speak English and Korean perfectly. Some people will pick on them and some people will admire them.
If Korea wants to be only pure blood, it's going to bring down the whole race. They have issues we couldn't understand. Kim's can't marry Kim's and Lee's can't marry Lee's (although it's changing now) because they are afraid of inbreeding. How can they mix with the rest of the world if they are only interested in being pure. Plus, it's an impossibility. When I first dated my husband, he proudly told me he was pure-blood. He now laughs at this foolishness.
In some ways, it is something that Koreans are taught. In other ways, it is their own insecurity. I also had my Korean sister-in-law and my husband's evil aunt say that my children looked more caucasion than Korean. I was so pissed off when I heard this and then had to laugh...why did I react so violently when I was told they looked more like me. It's because instinctively I knew that it was a slur against my kids and it was jealousy that provoked it.
We have since moved to Korea so that my kids will learn perfect Korean. It bugs my daughter that people call her waygukin since she is Canadian. I explained to her about K-logic. She's gets it. (Her father has a mild case of K-logic)
The fact is, you are half-Korean and half-Italian. My kids are half-Korean and half-Dutch. There will be Koreans who have lived in Korea all their lives who will say that you are not Korean. If they were to move overseas, they might change their point of view. If they had grandchildren who are mixed, they would definately spin it the other way. They don't necessarily say it to be mean.
I read on this board that Koreans are superficially racist. I agree. Once they know better, they change. Then there are the other Koreans who are bitterly jealous and will hate you just because you were raised in America and you speak perfect English. Instinctively, you will know what is their true intention.
Coming to Korea you will have a lot of culture shock because Korea is a personal thing to you. You would have had ideas and expectations of what it would be like here, more than the rest of us who just thought this would be an exciting way to earn money. Probably learning Korean will be the best way for you to understand the Korean way of thinking.
On a personal note, I met this girl who was directly from Holland. I was so excited to meet her and explained that my parents were Dutch and had immigrated here. She point blank told me that she hates those types of people because they were farmers. My mom was completely unfazed when I complained to her and she wisely said that there are losers in every country. |
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kimcheechochy
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Whatever, we're all from Africa anyway. Everything else is just politics. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| You're going to have to win a Superbowl MVP for them to accept you as "Korean" in this country if you're mixed blood. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
To the OP: You are half American, and half ancient Mongolian.
Don't bother with the more recent term people on this peninsula are using to describe the mixing of Mongolian, Chinese and Japanese blood which resides here. |
Actually, you'd have to put the Japanese first: Last study I read on Korean genetics identified the Japanese as the closest cousin. I'm sure all the wars led to a good bit of mixing, but there is also pretty clear evidence of two primary sources of the gene pool, one from the northern Asia sweep and the other from SE Asia. Japan has more of the SE Asia pool, but most significantly in Okinawa. Okinawans and main island Japanese are fairly distinct in some of their genes. From pics, this is pretty obvious.
Nobody can figure out where the Ainu came from. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
Nobody can figure out where the Ainu came from. |
Full-blooded Ainu are mostly fair-skinned and Caucasian in appearance, with the men generally having dense hair development. This caused many early investigators to propose a Caucasian ancestry, although recent DNA tests have found no traces of Caucasian ancestry. Genetic testing of the Ainu people has shown them to belong mainly to Y-haplogroup D.[3] The only places outside of Japan in which Y-haplogroup D is common are Tibet and the Andaman Islands of India.[4] About one in eight Ainu men have been found to belong to Haplogroup C3, which is the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup among the indigenous populations of the Russian Far East and Mongolia. Some researchers have speculated that this minority of Haplogroup C3 carriers among the Ainu may reflect a certain degree of unidirectional genetic influence from the Nivkhs, with whom the Ainu have long-standing cultural interactions.[5] According to Tanaka et al. (2004), their mtDNA lineages mainly consist of haplogroup Y (21.6%) and haplogroup M7a (15.7%).
Some have speculated that the Ainu may be descendants of a prehistoric race that also produced indigenous Australian peoples. In Steve Olson's book Mapping Human History, page 133, he describes the discovery of fossils dating back 10,000 years, representing the remains of the Jōmon, a group whose facial features more closely resemble those of the indigenous peoples of New Guinea and Australia. After a new wave of immigration, probably from the Korean Peninsula, some 2,300 years ago, of the Yayoi people, the pure-blooded Jōmon were pushed into northern Japan. Genetic data suggest that modern Japanese are descended from both the Yayoi and the Jōmon.
Ainu man, circa 1880.In the late 20th century, much speculation arose that people of the group ancestral to the Ainu may have been one of the first to settle North America.
This theory is based largely on skeletal and cultural evidence among tribes living in the western part of North America and certain parts of Latin America. It is quite possible that North America had several peoples among its early settlers � the Ainu being one of them, perhaps even the first. The best-known instance supporting this theory is probably Kennewick Man.
Groundbreaking genetic mapping studies by Cavalli-Sforza have shown a sharp gradient in gene frequencies centered in the area around the Sea of Japan, and particularly in the Japanese Archipelago, that distinguishes these populations from others in the rest of eastern Asia and most of the American continent. This gradient appears as the third most important genetic movement (in other words, the third principal component of genetic variation) in Eurasia (after the "Great expansion" from the African continent, which has a cline centered in Arabia and adjacent parts of the Middle East, and a second cline that distinguishes the northern regions of Eurasia and particularly Siberia from regions to the south), which would make it consistent with the early Jōmon period, or possibly even the pre-Jōmon period.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: |
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To the OP: You are half American, and half ancient Mongolian.
Don't bother with the more recent term people on this peninsula are using to describe the mixing of Mongolian, Chinese and Japanese blood which resides here. |
Actually, you'd have to put the Japanese first: Last study I read on Korean genetics identified the Japanese as the closest cousin. I'm sure all the wars led to a good bit of mixing, but there is also pretty clear evidence of two primary sources of the gene pool, one from the northern Asia sweep and the other from SE Asia. Japan has more of the SE Asia pool, but most significantly in Okinawa. Okinawans and main island Japanese are fairly distinct in some of their genes. From pics, this is pretty obvious.
Nobody can figure out where the Ainu came from. |
Last i read, modern Japanese (not the aboriginal Aino) were descended from ancient Korean. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Where they came from means less than what they are now.
Lots of mixing from many different cultures. I have no doubts that Korean family books have been fudged for hundreds of years. You had a child with a Japanese... change the name in the books to make it look like they're full blood.
As much as they cheat on taxes here, it's not much of a stretch to think that there was a lot of cheating in the family books over the years.
And there are indeed quite a few Koreans who share some very Indian-like features as well. As in the country of India -- very tan skin, very dark eyes, etc.
Korea is a melting pot of Mongolians, Indians, Japanese, and probably some others as well. |
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thiophene
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. To all new parents, make sure your kid grows up knowing the native language of BOTH parents. Language is the key to culture and without it your kid will grow up a little more ignorant of all the generations that came before him, as well as have a hard time keeping in touch with relatives. I don't know why there are so many asian mothers of the 60's, 70's and 80's who decided not to teach their kids their language.
My mom cited the same reasons.. "I was the only asian in a small caucasian town; it was hard enough to raise you let alone be the only one talking to you in Chinese." |
I wasn't taught Korean because my father's French and we lived in france for a while, but emigrated to canada when I was 2 so they decided to teach me only french (the language we speak at home) and I learned english in school. They thought introducing 3 languages to a young kid was too much. I think knowing another language is important but sometimes it gets complicated.
I know a family who's husband is Japanese, mother is Afghani, but they met in Germany so they speak german mostly. They bore (is that a word?) a child in English Canada and this kid is 3 and can't communicate very well. Why? The mother's family speaks to the kid in Dari, the father' family speaks to the kid in Japanese, the parent's communicate in German mostly, and the kid hears english from his neighbourhood. The doctor has told the parents not to worry, that he's just behind due to the confusion he hears around him, which makes sense but it can be frustrating. |
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bijjy
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: Daegu
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It may be a bit confusing but I honestly think kids are able to learn four or five languages at the same time if they are young, and especially if it's just to communicate verbally.
All kids in Malaysia have to learn five languages.. including writing! They somehow make to adulthood okay, and think of all the job options they have! |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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The best-known instance supporting this theory is probably Kennewick Man.
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Kennewick Man--not to be confused with...
Capt. Jean-luc Picard |
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