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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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Where they came from means less than what they are now.
Lots of mixing from many different cultures. ...
Korea is a melting pot of Mongolians, Indians, Japanese, and probably some others as well. |
I'm fairly sure you're just not being precise because "Korea", "Mongolia", "Japan" - these are meaningless in terms of the genetic history of the area. Suffice to say, what is now "Korean" was influenced by populations mvoing here from both northern migrations and southern migrations, with the northern having the greater influence.
About the pic above:
Darned if that doesn't look like many a native of the Americas, particularly along the West Coast and points south. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Korean blood is about as pure as the Han River is clean.
Some Koreans seem to think that Koreans just appeared out of nowhere, 5000 + years ago. Some others even think their ancient ancestor landed on Baekdu Mountain (now part of China) and founded a race of 'pure blooded' people with jung. |
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jeffkim1972
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
Location: Mokpo
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Didnt' bother reading the whole thread but i think it comes down to your language ability.
as long as you dont' speak Korean, even if you are 100% ethnically Korean, you are somewhat of an outsider.
But even if you are caucasian and you speak very good Korean, they will accept you more.
So i don't think being of mixed race puts you in the middle, it's your grasp and fluency with the language. |
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jeffkim1972
Joined: 10 Jan 2007
Location: Mokpo
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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That sucks. I feel for you. You seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place.
My advice: Do something noteworthy that makes positive international press, and they'll claim you as their own with arms open wide.
Until then, don't seek approval from these shallow individuals, as 'helpful' as they might otherwise be. Judge yourself, and hold your head high. I've always thought that a multi-ethnic heritage would be something to be doubly proud of. |
Yeah, just go out Monday and make international headlines. That's all you need to do.
Imagine a caucasian in America that doesn't speak any English, no one will consider him American.
Korean culture and "Koreanism" is very much ingrained in their language. |
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Boodleheimer
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: |
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jeffkim:
i don't think the comparison of Americans is valid at all. it's a nation of immigrants.
please read Countrygirl's input:
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My children are mixed. While living in Canada I did my best to raise my kids to learn Korean - Korean 'hogwan', Korean babysitters, and I even joined a Korean church to help my children with their Korean and to give my husband a place to relax and feel comfortable. So I was shocked when one of the mothers at the church told my daughter that she wasn't Korean. We had gone to that church for 5 years and they knew that we lived a Korean lifestyle. I mean, my daughter could write Hangul and her daughter couldn't.
When I expressed my outrage to my husband, he said that she was just jealous and that no, our kids will never be considered Korean. He said that our kids will be exotic and special because they will speak English and Korean perfectly. Some people will pick on them and some people will admire them.
If Korea wants to be only pure blood, it's going to bring down the whole race. They have issues we couldn't understand. Kim's can't marry Kim's and Lee's can't marry Lee's (although it's changing now) because they are afraid of inbreeding. How can they mix with the rest of the world if they are only interested in being pure. Plus, it's an impossibility. When I first dated my husband, he proudly told me he was pure-blood. He now laughs at this foolishness.
In some ways, it is something that Koreans are taught. In other ways, it is their own insecurity. I also had my Korean sister-in-law and my husband's evil aunt say that my children looked more caucasion than Korean. I was so pissed off when I heard this and then had to laugh...why did I react so violently when I was told they looked more like me. It's because instinctively I knew that it was a slur against my kids and it was jealousy that provoked it.
We have since moved to Korea so that my kids will learn perfect Korean. It bugs my daughter that people call her waygukin since she is Canadian. I explained to her about K-logic. She's gets it. (Her father has a mild case of K-logic)
The fact is, you are half-Korean and half-Italian. My kids are half-Korean and half-Dutch. There will be Koreans who have lived in Korea all their lives who will say that you are not Korean. If they were to move overseas, they might change their point of view. If they had grandchildren who are mixed, they would definately spin it the other way. They don't necessarily say it to be mean.
I read on this board that Koreans are superficially racist. I agree. Once they know better, they change. Then there are the other Koreans who are bitterly jealous and will hate you just because you were raised in America and you speak perfect English. Instinctively, you will know what is their true intention.
Coming to Korea you will have a lot of culture shock because Korea is a personal thing to you. You would have had ideas and expectations of what it would be like here, more than the rest of us who just thought this would be an exciting way to earn money. Probably learning Korean will be the best way for you to understand the Korean way of thinking.
On a personal note, I met this girl who was directly from Holland. I was so excited to meet her and explained that my parents were Dutch and had immigrated here. She point blank told me that she hates those types of people because they were farmers. My mom was completely unfazed when I complained to her and she wisely said that there are losers in every country. |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Near Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| You're going to have to win a Superbowl MVP for them to accept you as "Korean" in this country if you're mixed blood. |
Ha ha. yeah and then you'll have to act the fool on tv shows where the 'pure Korean' co hosts / presenters ask you dumb questions like 'oh canah you-ah speak-uh Korean..?' with clownish expressions on their faces... when you answer in perfect Korean that you can they'll all fall around like idiots going 'ooooooohhhhh aaaahhhhhh.'
For the rest of the show you'll stand there like a gimp being treated like a monkey in a zoo, with a confused expression on your face as it slowly dawns on you that yes you are a celebrity here, but not a human, merely a cipher, a sign of Korean PRIDE!
God I saw Haines Ward on one of those slapstick sat morning shows and was embarrassed for the poor guy... |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Near Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Notions of pure blood are hillarious.
I just point out to my co-workers that we all share our bodies with billions of bacteria which live in our gut and if it wasn't for them we'd die.
They just look angry or confused and go on to say how Kimchi was voted as one of the world's most healthy foods.
I then remember from countless simmilar experiences over the past 3 yrs that logic will get me nowhere.
I then nod and grin and say 'oooh kimchi, yes. Delicious!'
They smile or laugh and the jong or kibbun or whatever it's called is restored... |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
Where they came from means less than what they are now.
Lots of mixing from many different cultures. ...
Korea is a melting pot of Mongolians, Indians, Japanese, and probably some others as well. |
I'm fairly sure you're just not being precise because "Korea", "Mongolia", "Japan" - these are meaningless in terms of the genetic history of the area. Suffice to say, what is now "Korean" was influenced by populations mvoing here from both northern migrations and southern migrations, with the northern having the greater influence.
About the pic above:
Darned if that doesn't look like many a native of the Americas, particularly along the West Coast and points south. |
It's very simple...
Many Koreans came from Mongolia, originally. Since they have arrived, they have been conquered and controlled by Japan, and China. Lots of interbreeding took place. They had children. They mixed in the population, and their true backgrounds were hidden in the Korean birth records.
As for Indians, there were several who came over during one of the dynasty periods and intermixed with Korean royalty, I believe.
Are you now willing to tell me that the Indians, Japanese and Chinese who lived here for so many years never has sex with the Korean women, or had any children? |
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venus
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Near Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| keane wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
Where they came from means less than what they are now.
Lots of mixing from many different cultures. ...
Korea is a melting pot of Mongolians, Indians, Japanese, and probably some others as well. |
I'm fairly sure you're just not being precise because "Korea", "Mongolia", "Japan" - these are meaningless in terms of the genetic history of the area. Suffice to say, what is now "Korean" was influenced by populations mvoing here from both northern migrations and southern migrations, with the northern having the greater influence.
About the pic above:
Darned if that doesn't look like many a native of the Americas, particularly along the West Coast and points south. |
It's very simple...
Many Koreans came from Mongolia, originally. Since they have arrived, they have been conquered and controlled by Japan, and China. Lots of interbreeding took place. They had children. They mixed in the population, and their true backgrounds were hidden in the Korean birth records.
As for Indians, there were several who came over during one of the dynasty periods and intermixed with Korean royalty, I believe.
Are you now willing to tell me that the Indians, Japanese and Chinese who lived here for so many years never has sex with the Korean women, or had any children? |
I bet you get no reply. |
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PGF
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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I am constantly worried about raising a half korean half caucasian baby.
Granted, no matter what, we'd leave this place before she or he finishes grade school (have to give her or him a proper education); but I'm sure he or she will want to come back to get in touch with their other side eventually.
And, I think they will be disciminated against.
Plus, I've met some really weird gyopos while here. They are at odds with who they are- many are soooo angry (just guys FWIW). I've met some gyopo women who seem normal and have a good head on their shoulders who can not speak Korea and who are here for the experience. And, I've met some gyopo guys who speak Korean, have a chip on their shoulder, and end up in fights or just plain end up lonely.....because of their anger.
My fiance's family has accepted me very well. So, I think they will accept our baby. i don't know....just typing out loud.....
continue. |
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Santiago
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Should be "definitely". Think de-finite-ly. Other than that very well done. Concise, informative, brief where possible and done with humor and truth. Lacking in all less than holy attributes; no pomp, no egomaniacal ranting. For me it makes the finals.
A+
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Santiago
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Korea is a melting pot of Mongolians, Indians, Japanese, and probably some others as well. |
Is much more precise than
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| Suffice to say, what is now "Korean" was influenced by populations mvoing here from both northern migrations and southern migrations, with the northern having the greater influence. |
Sorry but it just is. |
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jadarite
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
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If you choose to only talk about one plot of land as opposed to another, you might as well call people of that area by the same name.
We are mixed first on this planet, then someone comes along and divides the land up, builds invisible walls (called "borders"), and tags the people Mongolian or Palestinian.
If we didn't have these walls, we wouldn't have visa issues, we wouldn't be sucking the government's nipples to live, and we could come and go as we pleased. |
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Korlingus
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I started thinking about the title of this thread. Why "calling all mixed blood koreans"? Does the OP identify more with Korea than where he/she was born or raised? |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm guessing because the OP is in Korea and looking for input from others who are also part Korean... |
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