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xanderspuppy
Joined: 01 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: First ever ESL teacher at school - good or bad? |
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Thoughts on this potential job appreciated.
1) Have been asked if I would be happy using PowerPoint in my lessons, photos from home etc. At first I didn't think this would be a problem but I wondered, how likely is it that the menus on computer programs such as Word and PowerPoint will be in Korean, or in English?
2) I was told I'd be the first ESL teacher they've ever had at the school. Will they have high expectations which I won't be able to meet or might it be an advantage? It means I won't be able to talk to any ESL teachers who have worked there to give me any info. |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Public school or hogwan?
Explain to them they need an English-language computer/OS.
And please don't give them free reign to your photos. If anything, some photos on a cdrom should do, and there's no way you should let them dig through your files (they seriously might try to "see what's best" when they just want to snoop). |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:42 am Post subject: Ist Teacher |
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More than likely they'll be in Korean. Ask for installation of English Microsoft Word Programs, on the schools notebook or pc.
The plus side of being the 1st teacher, is that you're not expected to live up to the standards of previous teachers, as there aren't any. The downside, is that for winter & summer camps, you'll have to network, & start from scratch. And create your own lesson plans / agendas
By photos/ j.pegs they just want some pics of where you're from. Landscapes, cityscapes, indigenous animals, eg. They're not really interested in your baby or personal photos. If they are, just tell 'em no! |
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MarionG
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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If you're working for a hogwon, summer and winter camps won't be a problem as you'll be working at the hogwon.
I am the first ever native teacher at my hogwon, and although there have been bumps, I've been happy and I think they have too, as they want me back.
I would explain, re PowerPoint, that while you would be happy to use it, (and are familiar with the program, if that's true) it would be very difficult for you to use a Korean Language version of it. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure they mean first foreign teacher, and whether it's a public school or hagwon, they probably have at least one Korean EFL teacher (who may or may not speak English). |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: First ever ESL teacher at school - good or bad? |
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xanderspuppy wrote: |
Thoughts on this potential job appreciated.
1) Have been asked if I would be happy using PowerPoint in my lessons, photos from home etc. At first I didn't think this would be a problem but I wondered, how likely is it that the menus on computer programs such as Word and PowerPoint will be in Korean, or in English?
2) I was told I'd be the first ESL teacher they've ever had at the school. Will they have high expectations which I won't be able to meet or might it be an advantage? It means I won't be able to talk to any ESL teachers who have worked there to give me any info. |
1) i use powerpoint for many of my lessons, and yes, it's in korean (i asked for the English version tons of times, but never got it). if you're familiar with powerpoint, using the korean version isn't all that difficult. if not, tell them u will be delighted to use powerpoint, but NEED the English version right away to prepare.
2) i feel that's a good thing. i'm the second native speaker at my school, and for the first few months i would hear, "he did this, he did that" etc. from my co-teachers to get me to do extra stuff or purely game-based classes. the clear advantage u have is that there's no one else to compare to, the disadvantage is your co-teachers probably won't know much about co-teaching (not that being a second,or third native teacher would help u all that much! )
what other people mentioned about your personal photos is definitely good - don't let them browse through on their own (in many cases, they're not nosy, just really curious about u, your family, and where you're from), get powerpoint or simply use a different folder and put the photos in u don't mind showing to them (u can make a rough looking slideshow by just double-clicking on one and pressing the arrow keys). |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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I think it can definitely work out well, so long as you're an experienced teacher.
Teaching aside, I wouldn't recommend it to newcomers to Korea. There's a few legal hoops that neither you and nor school might know about, and there'd be a lot of room for cultural misunderstandings that might not happen if either side was a little familiar with the other. Could be a recipe for a lot of trouble on both ends. |
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jlb
Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
I think it can definitely work out well, so long as you're an experienced teacher.
Teaching aside, I wouldn't recommend it to newcomers to Korea. There's a few legal hoops that neither you and nor school might know about, and there'd be a lot of room for cultural misunderstandings that might not happen if either side was a little familiar with the other. Could be a recipe for a lot of trouble on both ends. |
Yeah, ditto what Peppermint said. Your school may not be familiar with all the legal/visa stuff and it could be a big issue if you don't know all the ins and outs of it. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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1: Tell your Korean co-teacher to prepare some basic Wh questions with your students before you enter the classroom. The reason for doing this is unless your Korean co-teacher prepares some questions for the students the whole class will be a massive waste of time.
Sometimes these kinds of things are best not done on the first day. After a month the students will be more likely to ask more questions.
Show just a few questions on powerpoint. Then with the rest of the pictures color photocopy them and laminate them. Put the students into small groups give each a page with at least five pictures on it. and get them to ask you questions. |
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nobbyken

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Location: Yongin ^^
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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You could download openoffice for free on all the PCs you use.
http://www.openoffice.org
Choose any language.
Your principal may be totally unprepared for managing non-Korean staff, there could be conflicts.
EDIT: Use google earth to show kids where you live. Ours loved it with gasps of awe. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Is it your first time away from home? Do you need company of others? Do you need to have conversations that are more than 10s long?
If so life could be difficult.
If not then life will be grand. |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Top 10 things to do, to avoid culture shock, when isolated in Korea:
* Learn about the Country & it's culture
* Keep in touch with family by cellphone / email
* Take up a hobby (eg photography)
* Make Korean friends
* Make friends with Expats
* Learn the language (Hangul)
* Have an open mind
* Counterbalance loss of old friendships with newly formed friendships
* Be patient
* have a backup Support Group
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tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Location: Testicles for Eyes
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that it could go either way. If it's a government public school you should be ok, because there is always the Education office to fall back on. At least they will/should have a clue about what a foreign teacher needs and is entitled to.
If it's a private place, then things could get a little tricky. I was the first foreign teacher at my private high school, and it's been a bit rough at times. The principal basically thought that the contract could be interpreted in any way he chose. I was getting paid for each class that I actually taught for the first 3 months of working here, despite my contract saying I was on a monthly salary. As this is a high school, during exam time and other times when classes were cancelled (like the school marathon day), I wasn't getting paid! They also weren't aware that pension and medical insurance had to be deducted for the first 3 months I was here, despite me telling them repeatedly that they had to do this. After a lot complaining, and finally a threat to contact the labor board, my salary was straightened out. The accommodation provided was pretty poor and devoid of any comforts. No structure to my curriculum, basically I was told "teach what you like", and I've never been assesed, never been given any feedback, or even been asked to hand in any lesson plans! Apparently this school is one of the most "prestigious" high schools in the country, with a long history and students from very wealthy backgrounds. Thank goodness I was only given a 6 month contract, and have just 3 weeks left.
However, you could get a great place that treats you amazingly well. It's all just luck of the draw. |
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xanderspuppy
Joined: 01 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: |
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peppermint wrote: |
I think it can definitely work out well, so long as you're an experienced teacher.
Teaching aside, I wouldn't recommend it to newcomers to Korea. There's a few legal hoops that neither you and nor school might know about, and there'd be a lot of room for cultural misunderstandings that might not happen if either side was a little familiar with the other. Could be a recipe for a lot of trouble on both ends. |
Thanks everyone, this was what I figured. It's a public school but not through a government program. This would be my first teaching position and although I think it would be good that they can't compare me to other teachers they've had who were great, I'm also worried that because I'm the first native English teacher they've had they may not fully be aware of contract issues, laws etc. I'm thinking the post would definitely be better for a 2nd or 3rd jobber, someone who's used to teaching in Korea and would know if anything was amiss. |
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ESL Girl
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: oh |
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Woah- you are not working through a government program?! Be careful - I met a couple foreigners a little while back who were hired directly by their schools. They are having a hell-of-a-time in small towns. They were given no textbooks, which is especially sucky being they didn't have any ed. experience or ed. degrees. I am not saying that textbooks should be your crutch, but they do give a lot of structure.
Moreover, they too are the 1st Engl teachers in their schools. One teaches all her classes on her own. Again, let me remind you she had no teaching experience prior to this.
Will you be in a small town? Think this over carefully. Although you do get paid a few hundred less with a government program, you do get an orientation and the chance to meet people in the same boat as you. You are going to be in for a long year if you don't know anybody...
Sorry if I am being very negative. Just be prepared. |
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