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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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They polled 2,445 adults. The article appears to have come from Dallas, Texas. I have a feeling that most of who they polled were from Texas. I don't see any cold calls going up to Seattle or New York City for example (who are well-known for having extremely low church attendance numbers (like many northern urban areas).
In addition, states like Texas are not only is filled with legions of Southern Baptists who believe in the fire and brimstone, it is also the home to a large amount of Mexican-Americans who also believe strongly in the ol' Diablo as well. |
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boatofcar
Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Location: Sheffield, UK
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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The poll of 2,455 U.S. adults from Nov 7 to 13 found that 82 percent of those surveyed believed in God, a figure unchanged since the question was asked in 2005.
It further found that 79 percent believed in miracles, 75 percent in heaven, while 72 percent believed that Jesus is God or the Son of God. Belief in hell and the devil was expressed by 62 percent. |
What about the people who believe in evolution and God? The two don't have to be mutually exclusive, you know. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
They polled 2,445 adults. The article appears to have come from Dallas, Texas. I have a feeling that most of who they polled were from Texas. I don't see any cold calls going up to Seattle or New York City for example (who are well-known for having extremely low church attendance numbers (like many northern urban areas).
In addition, states like Texas are not only is filled with legions of Southern Baptists who believe in the fire and brimstone, it is also the home to a large amount of Mexican-Americans who also believe strongly in the ol' Diablo as well. |
Exactly, but anything they can do to skew the sample in order to achieve the desired result is fine, right? I'd be willing to bet that we could take a sample of 5,000 Londoners, Parisians, and Ottawans in certain areas and find all sorts of crazy things, such as "80% of Londoners think Mohammad is the true prophet."
Yet, when people want to portray the U.S. as simple and idiotic, there's no way to stop them. It must make them feel good about themselves and their mediocrity. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I've often wondered if the people who remain bigots after they complete their university education can get a refund. Have you looked into this, peel? |
Not sure. Though I've often wondered if the people who remain unemployable and only function as babysitters for lower-middle class Koreans after they complete their university education can get a refund. Have you looked into this? |
It's always made me smile, BJWD, the way you have often written with such contempt for ESL teachers in Korea, here on a forum for ESL teachers in Korea. I know of many talented and educated and VERY EMPLOYABLE people who have chosen to teach in Korea for various reasons. People don't all have the same priorities or criteria for success that you hold. And I might add that if being a smug little w@nker were a mark of success, you'd be one successful little bunny.  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
They polled 2,445 adults. The article appears to have come from Dallas, Texas. I have a feeling that most of who they polled were from Texas. I don't see any cold calls going up to Seattle or New York City for example (who are well-known for having extremely low church attendance numbers (like many northern urban areas).
In addition, states like Texas are not only is filled with legions of Southern Baptists who believe in the fire and brimstone, it is also the home to a large amount of Mexican-Americans who also believe strongly in the ol' Diablo as well. |
Nope, not done in Texas. But done entirely online.
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Methodology
This Harris Poll� was conducted online within the United States between November 7 and 13, 2007 among 2,455 adults (aged 18 and over). Figures for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, region and household income were weighted where necessary to bring them into line with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents� propensity to be online.
All sample surveys and polls, whether or not they use probability sampling, are subject to multiple sources of error which are most often not possible to quantify or estimate, including sampling error, coverage error, error associated with nonresponse, error associated with question wording and response options, and post-survey weighting and adjustments. Therefore, Harris Interactive avoids the words "margin of error" as they are misleading. All that can be calculated are different possible sampling errors with different probabilities for pure, unweighted, random samples with 100% response rates. These are only theoretical because no published polls come close to this ideal.
Respondents for this survey were selected from among those who have agreed to participate in Harris Interactive surveys. The data have been weighted to reflect the composition of the adult population. Because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in the Harris Interactive panel, no estimates of theoretical sampling error can be calculated. |
No sampling error? So basically we have a voluntary poll taken completely online. Can we do a proper polling on this question? I have no doubt Americans are highly religious compared to the UK, but can we have a credible method of polling determine that? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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A tad sensitive?
You might notice that the only time I use that is when called a name first. It is my universal retort. All in good fun. Or you can't handle it? I can handle being called a bigot, w@nker (though, that screams you are white trash for using it) or whatever. Cause it is an internet site. It is all fake.
I met many decent people who could have done well at home while I was in Korea. Don't cry.
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
They polled 2,445 adults. The article appears to have come from Dallas, Texas. I have a feeling that most of who they polled were from Texas. I don't see any cold calls going up to Seattle or New York City for example (who are well-known for having extremely low church attendance numbers (like many northern urban areas).
In addition, states like Texas are not only is filled with legions of Southern Baptists who believe in the fire and brimstone, it is also the home to a large amount of Mexican-Americans who also believe strongly in the ol' Diablo as well. |
Nope, not done in Texas. But done entirely online.
Bold is mine:
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Methodology
This Harris Poll� was conducted online within the United States between November 7 and 13, 2007 among 2,455 adults (aged 18 and over). Figures for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, region and household income were weighted where necessary to bring them into line with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents� propensity to be online.
All sample surveys and polls, whether or not they use probability sampling, are subject to multiple sources of error which are most often not possible to quantify or estimate, including sampling error, coverage error, error associated with nonresponse, error associated with question wording and response options, and post-survey weighting and adjustments. Therefore, Harris Interactive avoids the words "margin of error" as they are misleading. All that can be calculated are different possible sampling errors with different probabilities for pure, unweighted, random samples with 100% response rates. These are only theoretical because no published polls come close to this ideal.
Respondents for this survey were selected from among those who have agreed to participate in Harris Interactive surveys. The data have been weighted to reflect the composition of the adult population. Because the sample is based on those who agreed to participate in the Harris Interactive panel, no estimates of theoretical sampling error can be calculated. |
No sampling error? So basically we have a voluntary poll taken completely online. Can we do a proper polling on this question? I have no doubt Americans are highly religious compared to the UK, but can we have a credible method of polling determine that? |
That's a more relevant retort to the poll (online and far from a random sample) than TB's.
That being said, I doubt a similar poll in any European country would come up with results resembling this one. I think we'd all agree that Western Europe is a lot less religious than the US is. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
A tad sensitive?
You might notice that the only time I use that is when called a name first. It is my universal retort. All in good fun. Or you can't handle it? I can handle being called a bigot, w@nker (though, that screams you are white trash for using it) or whatever. Cause it is an internet site. It is all fake.
I met many decent people who could have done well at home while I was in Korea. Don't cry. |
No, not sensitive. You don't have the effect on others you perhaps congratulate yourself for. I have nothing better at this moment than to taunt silly little w@nkers on the web - daytime TV is so tiresome don't you think? As for my choice of vernacular, I'm very happy with it. I don't have enough respect for such as yourself to try harder.
Ah, you think I'm sensitive about having taught in Korea? If it puts me in company such as yours, yes it could be deemed shameful. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Didn't the Church of England cancel Hell? |
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| What about the people who believe in evolution and God? The two don't have to be mutually exclusive, you know. |
NOT REALLY YOU CANT, NO. |
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