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Big_Bird
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MOS discerned:
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| These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated. |
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| On the one hand, it is bringing foreign currency into a country, but on the other hand, it's diverting human resources away from more productive sectors of the economy. If teenage boys and girls are dropping out of school to go 'play on the beach', that's not good for their personal development and its not good for the development of their society. I think one of the reasons Carribean feminist scholars have been raising this issue in Canada is because female sex tourism is putting a strain on families and marriages in their home countries. |
I concur, although in the case of Thailand the underscored is not an issue. Indeed, many poor rural Thai families encourage one of their daughters to enter prostitution if it will benefit them. The Thai attitude toward sex in general is less restrictive. |
This post gives me the impression that you think the sex trade in Thailand is fairly benign (forgve me if I am mistaken). Actually it can be horrific. I remember reading up on it some years ago. A father of with a poor family (say from the hill tribes who is envious of neighbours who have washing machines and refrigerators) decides to sacrifice his 12 year old daughter for the sake of the family. He sells her on but her new owners tell her she must now make back the money they have shelled out for her. They lock her in a room where she is raped repeatedly by client after client. Perhaps she is forced to service 10-20 in one day. The poor virgin's vagina is horribly bruised and torn and she is in a lot of pain. Also, because she has no respite from clients, the bloody wounds in her vagina do not heal up and are regularly ripped open again, day after day. These bloody wounds make her extremely suspectible to desease, particularly HIV. I imagine this scenario is similar to young boys who are used by male clients. The sex trade in Thailand has its horror shows, believe me. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Bird suggested that male and female sex tourism are not exactly synonymous because sex is different for people, depending on their gender. For women, heterosexual sex is a more invasive act. While that is true, IMHO it's a bit of an open question whether or not that is relevant in the issue of female sex tourism. These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated. Although that's a graphic way of putting it, it points out that whatever trepidations they may have had about penetration have been dealt with a long time ago. They are deliberately flying to these countries to seek out 'the big bamboo', as the expression goes. |
I'm not sure what your point is here exactly, MOS. Of course these women want to be penetrated. I doubt many female prostitutes enjoy being penetrated however - certainly not by their clients. It's just something they tolerate (or are forced to tolerate). |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve...by the way, did you know that Jack Lord was a Liberal? He was a frequent advocate of gun control in the US. |
No, he wasn't. I advocate gun control and I'm far from being a tooth fairy. Actually, he wasn't politically active. Lord and his wife, Marie, were generous with their time and money to local charities in Hawaii (which he never called attention to) and his estate went to them after his wife's death. He also rejuvenated the local drama scene and was the first to hire lots of locals (re: minorities) for Hawaii 5-0. He was straight-laced, devoted to his longtime wife, principled, and a perfectionist (a sore point for wayward novice actors doing bit parts) as director after Leonard Freeman's untimely death. He commanded respect from all who knew him although he became rather reclusive after retirement. He lived in Honolulu from 1968 onward and truly loved the islands and its people, although he was born and raised in New York. He had loads of common sense, unlike most actors today.
Big Bird fretted:
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| This post gives me the impression that you think the sex trade in Thailand is fairly benign (forgve me if I am mistaken). Actually it can be horrific. I remember reading up on it some years ago. A father of with a poor family (say from the hill tribes who is envious of neighbours who have washing machines and refrigerators) decides to sacrifice his 12 year old daughter for the sake of the family. He sells her on but her new owners tell her she must now make back the money they have shelled out for her. They lock her in a room where she is raped repeatedly by client after client. Perhaps she is forced to service 10-20 in one day. The poor virgin's vagina is horribly bruised and torn and she is in a lot of pain. Also, because she has no respite from clients, the bloody wounds in her vagina do not heal up and are regularly ripped open again, day after day. These bloody wounds make her extremely suspectible to desease, particularly HIV. I imagine this scenario is similar to young boys who are used by male clients. The sex trade in Thailand has its horror shows, believe me. |
Don't go histrionic on me, babe. What you describe is deplorable but it is also not the norm. It shouldn't happen at all, of course, and I don't condone parents forcing their children into the sex trade. That said, prostitution will persist and remain widespread at least until the standard of living of rural Thais rises significantly. The urban Thais may also practice Buddhism but few in the government give back to the poor. Don't let those smiles fool you on that score.
No, it's far from benign to be sure, but it is also a way out of poverty for many--perhaps the only way. Underaged sex tourism sickens me as much as it does you and others posting here but it's also not limited to Westerners. Indeed, the single largest contingent is Japanese men who even have their own private street of bars in Patpong District in Bangkok. Taiwanese businessmen have also been known to partake.
And even smaller cities like lovely Chiang Mai are loaded with bar girls, only it's more discreet and isn't confined to a particular district or street. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
MOS discerned:
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| These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated. |
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| On the one hand, it is bringing foreign currency into a country, but on the other hand, it's diverting human resources away from more productive sectors of the economy. If teenage boys and girls are dropping out of school to go 'play on the beach', that's not good for their personal development and its not good for the development of their society. I think one of the reasons Carribean feminist scholars have been raising this issue in Canada is because female sex tourism is putting a strain on families and marriages in their home countries. |
I concur, although in the case of Thailand the underscored is not an issue. Indeed, many poor rural Thai families encourage one of their daughters to enter prostitution if it will benefit them. The Thai attitude toward sex in general is less restrictive. |
This post gives me the impression that you think the sex trade in Thailand is fairly benign (forgve me if I am mistaken). Actually it can be horrific. I remember reading up on it some years ago. A father of with a poor family (say from the hill tribes who is envious of neighbours who have washing machines and refrigerators) decides to sacrifice his 12 year old daughter for the sake of the family. He sells her on but her new owners tell her she must now make back the money they have shelled out for her. They lock her in a room where she is raped repeatedly by client after client. Perhaps she is forced to service 10-20 in one day. The poor virgin's vagina is horribly bruised and torn and she is in a lot of pain. Also, because she has no respite from clients, the bloody wounds in her vagina do not heal up and are regularly ripped open again, day after day. These bloody wounds make her extremely suspectible to desease, particularly HIV. I imagine this scenario is similar to young boys who are used by male clients. The sex trade in Thailand has its horror shows, believe me. |
There are two separate industies in Thailand. There is the common farang
Patpong and Nana plaza area. This is mostly for the tourists. The girls working in the bars are there by chose. These girls are in fact freelancers.
They can choose their own partners and they can actually turn down customers. They are free to quit at any time.
What you describe is the industry that caters to Thai men and soldiers. It is larger and less regulated. The brothels these girls work in resemble the
ones in Bombay.
The women working in farang section carry ID cards these indicate their age and their HIV statis. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
MOS discerned:
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| These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated. |
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| On the one hand, it is bringing foreign currency into a country, but on the other hand, it's diverting human resources away from more productive sectors of the economy. If teenage boys and girls are dropping out of school to go 'play on the beach', that's not good for their personal development and its not good for the development of their society. I think one of the reasons Carribean feminist scholars have been raising this issue in Canada is because female sex tourism is putting a strain on families and marriages in their home countries. |
I concur, although in the case of Thailand the underscored is not an issue. Indeed, many poor rural Thai families encourage one of their daughters to enter prostitution if it will benefit them. The Thai attitude toward sex in general is less restrictive. |
This post gives me the impression that you think the sex trade in Thailand is fairly benign (forgve me if I am mistaken). Actually it can be horrific. I remember reading up on it some years ago. A father of with a poor family (say from the hill tribes who is envious of neighbours who have washing machines and refrigerators) decides to sacrifice his 12 year old daughter for the sake of the family. He sells her on but her new owners tell her she must now make back the money they have shelled out for her. They lock her in a room where she is raped repeatedly by client after client. Perhaps she is forced to service 10-20 in one day. The poor virgin's vagina is horribly bruised and torn and she is in a lot of pain. Also, because she has no respite from clients, the bloody wounds in her vagina do not heal up and are regularly ripped open again, day after day. These bloody wounds make her extremely suspectible to desease, particularly HIV. I imagine this scenario is similar to young boys who are used by male clients. The sex trade in Thailand has its horror shows, believe me. |
There are two separate industies in Thailand. There is the common farang
Patpong and Nana plaza area. This is mostly for the tourists. The girls working in the bars are there by chose. These girls are in fact freelancers.
They can choose their own partners and they can actually turn down customers. They are free to quit at any time.
What you describe is the industry that caters to Thai men and soldiers. It is larger and less regulated. The brothels these girls work in resemble the
ones in Bombay.
The women working in farang section carry ID cards these indicate their age and their HIV statis. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Big Bird suggested that male and female sex tourism are not exactly synonymous because sex is different for people, depending on their gender. For women, heterosexual sex is a more invasive act. While that is true, IMHO it's a bit of an open question whether or not that is relevant in the issue of female sex tourism. These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated. Although that's a graphic way of putting it, it points out that whatever trepidations they may have had about penetration have been dealt with a long time ago. They are deliberately flying to these countries to seek out 'the big bamboo', as the expression goes. |
I'm not sure what your point is here exactly, MOS. Of course these women want to be penetrated. I doubt many female prostitutes enjoy being penetrated however - certainly not by their clients. It's just something they tolerate (or are forced to tolerate). |
| BB, I assumed we were all still talking about female sex tourism only, when you wrote: |
| Let's face it, who is more uncomfortable about their child first having a sexual relationship, the parents of a teenage son or the parents of a teenage daughter? I know of men who have beamed with pride when their sons lost their cherry. But the same dads wouldn't be celebrating their daughters' 'deflowering.' It's still different for the sexes, and in some ways probably always will be. |
My point was/is, although what you wrote above here is true, in the case of female sex tourists it may not be that relevant. They're not virgins, and they are seeking out sex partners, so it's hard to see how the 'penetration' issue is not overridden by other factors. They have the money and therefore the power, from an economic standpoint.
?? Did the server eat my post? I could have sworn I posted this already... |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Big Bird suggested that male and female sex tourism are not exactly synonymous because sex is different for people, depending on their gender. For women, heterosexual sex is a more invasive act. While that is true, IMHO it's a bit of an open question whether or not that is relevant in the issue of female sex tourism. These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated. Although that's a graphic way of putting it, it points out that whatever trepidations they may have had about penetration have been dealt with a long time ago. They are deliberately flying to these countries to seek out 'the big bamboo', as the expression goes. |
I'm not sure what your point is here exactly, MOS. Of course these women want to be penetrated. I doubt many female prostitutes enjoy being penetrated however - certainly not by their clients. It's just something they tolerate (or are forced to tolerate). |
| BB, I assumed we were all still talking about female sex tourism only, when you wrote: |
| Let's face it, who is more uncomfortable about their child first having a sexual relationship, the parents of a teenage son or the parents of a teenage daughter? I know of men who have beamed with pride when their sons lost their cherry. But the same dads wouldn't be celebrating their daughters' 'deflowering.' It's still different for the sexes, and in some ways probably always will be. |
My point was/is, although what you wrote above here is true, in the case of female sex tourists it may not be that relevant. They're not virgins, and they are seeking out sex partners, so it's hard to see how the 'penetration' issue is not overridden by other factors. They have the money and therefore the power, from an economic standpoint.
?? Did the server eat my post? I could have sworn I posted this already... |
Sorry, I musn't have been very clear. I was talking about sex in general in that instance. That example was just to illustrate that sex is still a different experience, depending on gender. My primary point though was that being a female prostitute is still somewhat more unsavoury than being a male prostitute who services female clients. If I was reincarnated, I'd rather be the latter than the former. Though of course, ideally, I'd be neither. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Big Bird suggested that male and female sex tourism are not exactly synonymous because sex is different for people, depending on their gender. For women, heterosexual sex is a more invasive act. While that is true, IMHO it's a bit of an open question whether or not that is relevant in the issue of female sex tourism. These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated. Although that's a graphic way of putting it, it points out that whatever trepidations they may have had about penetration have been dealt with a long time ago. They are deliberately flying to these countries to seek out 'the big bamboo', as the expression goes. |
I'm not sure what your point is here exactly, MOS. Of course these women want to be penetrated. I doubt many female prostitutes enjoy being penetrated however - certainly not by their clients. It's just something they tolerate (or are forced to tolerate). |
| BB, I assumed we were all still talking about female sex tourism only, when you wrote: |
| Let's face it, who is more uncomfortable about their child first having a sexual relationship, the parents of a teenage son or the parents of a teenage daughter? I know of men who have beamed with pride when their sons lost their cherry. But the same dads wouldn't be celebrating their daughters' 'deflowering.' It's still different for the sexes, and in some ways probably always will be. |
My point was/is, although what you wrote above here is true, in the case of female sex tourists it may not be that relevant. They're not virgins, and they are seeking out sex partners, so it's hard to see how the 'penetration' issue is not overridden by other factors. They have the money and therefore the power, from an economic standpoint.
?? Did the server eat my post? I could have sworn I posted this already... |
Sorry, I musn't have been very clear. I was talking about sex in general in that instance. That example was just to illustrate that sex is still a different experience, depending on gender. My primary point though was that being a female prostitute is still somewhat more unsavoury than being a male prostitute who services female clients. If I was reincarnated, I'd rather be the latter than the former. Though of course, ideally, I'd be neither. |
The vast majority of males have to service other men. That would be way worse than a women servicing a man. BTW I've seen lesbian women in Kho Samui who getting into the scene. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Big Bird suggested that male and female sex tourism are not exactly synonymous because sex is different for people, depending on their gender. For women, heterosexual sex is a more invasive act. While that is true, IMHO it's a bit of an open question whether or not that is relevant in the issue of female sex tourism. These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated. Although that's a graphic way of putting it, it points out that whatever trepidations they may have had about penetration have been dealt with a long time ago. They are deliberately flying to these countries to seek out 'the big bamboo', as the expression goes. |
I'm not sure what your point is here exactly, MOS. Of course these women want to be penetrated. I doubt many female prostitutes enjoy being penetrated however - certainly not by their clients. It's just something they tolerate (or are forced to tolerate). |
| BB, I assumed we were all still talking about female sex tourism only, when you wrote: |
| Let's face it, who is more uncomfortable about their child first having a sexual relationship, the parents of a teenage son or the parents of a teenage daughter? I know of men who have beamed with pride when their sons lost their cherry. But the same dads wouldn't be celebrating their daughters' 'deflowering.' It's still different for the sexes, and in some ways probably always will be. |
My point was/is, although what you wrote above here is true, in the case of female sex tourists it may not be that relevant. They're not virgins, and they are seeking out sex partners, so it's hard to see how the 'penetration' issue is not overridden by other factors. They have the money and therefore the power, from an economic standpoint.
?? Did the server eat my post? I could have sworn I posted this already... |
Sorry, I musn't have been very clear. I was talking about sex in general in that instance. That example was just to illustrate that sex is still a different experience, depending on gender. My primary point though was that being a female prostitute is still somewhat more unsavoury than being a male prostitute who services female clients. If I was reincarnated, I'd rather be the latter than the former. Though of course, ideally, I'd be neither. |
The vast majority of males have to service other men. That would be way worse than a women servicing a man. BTW I've seen lesbian women in Kho Samui who getting into the scene. |
I've already been careful to make that distinction. But if you check out the OP, you'll see that this thread is primarily about male prostitutes servicing females. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Fishead soup wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| Big Bird suggested that male and female sex tourism are not exactly synonymous because sex is different for people, depending on their gender. For women, heterosexual sex is a more invasive act. While that is true, IMHO it's a bit of an open question whether or not that is relevant in the issue of female sex tourism. These are women in their 40s and 50s, who are going to the Carribean because they WANT to be penetrated. Although that's a graphic way of putting it, it points out that whatever trepidations they may have had about penetration have been dealt with a long time ago. They are deliberately flying to these countries to seek out 'the big bamboo', as the expression goes. |
I'm not sure what your point is here exactly, MOS. Of course these women want to be penetrated. I doubt many female prostitutes enjoy being penetrated however - certainly not by their clients. It's just something they tolerate (or are forced to tolerate). |
| BB, I assumed we were all still talking about female sex tourism only, when you wrote: |
| Let's face it, who is more uncomfortable about their child first having a sexual relationship, the parents of a teenage son or the parents of a teenage daughter? I know of men who have beamed with pride when their sons lost their cherry. But the same dads wouldn't be celebrating their daughters' 'deflowering.' It's still different for the sexes, and in some ways probably always will be. |
My point was/is, although what you wrote above here is true, in the case of female sex tourists it may not be that relevant. They're not virgins, and they are seeking out sex partners, so it's hard to see how the 'penetration' issue is not overridden by other factors. They have the money and therefore the power, from an economic standpoint.
?? Did the server eat my post? I could have sworn I posted this already... |
Sorry, I musn't have been very clear. I was talking about sex in general in that instance. That example was just to illustrate that sex is still a different experience, depending on gender. My primary point though was that being a female prostitute is still somewhat more unsavoury than being a male prostitute who services female clients. If I was reincarnated, I'd rather be the latter than the former. Though of course, ideally, I'd be neither. |
The vast majority of males have to service other men. That would be way worse than a women servicing a man. BTW I've seen lesbian women in Kho Samui who getting into the scene. |
I've already been careful to make that distinction. But if you check out the OP, you'll see that this thread is primarily about male prostitutes servicing females. |
There are guys out there who like Ladyboys with all their tackle still in tact. Some of them are drop dead beautiful. Take a google search of Areyaa |
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