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More evidence intel community is anti-Bush
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: More evidence intel community is anti-Bush Reply with quote

As I reported earlier regarding the release of The Family Jewels on another thread, Bush II has managed to turn not only an entire sector of his ruling class buddies against him but the intelligence community as well.

Report contradicts Bush on Iran nuclear program

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071203/ts_nm/iran_usa_dc

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A new U.S. intelligence report says Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and it remains on hold, contradicting the Bush administration's earlier assertion that Tehran was intent on developing a bomb.

The National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) released on Monday could undermine U.S. efforts to convince other world powers to agree on a third package of U.N. sanctions against Iran for defying demands to halt uranium enrichment activities.

Tensions have escalated in recent months as Washington has ratcheted up the rhetoric against Tehran, with U.S. President George W. Bush insisting in October that a nuclear-armed Iran could lead to World War Three.

But in a finding likely to surprise U.S. friends and foes alike, the latest NIE concluded: "We do not know whether (Iran) currently intends to develop nuclear weapons."

That marked a sharp contrast to an intelligence report two years ago that stated Iran was "determined to develop nuclear weapons."

But the new assessment found Iran was continuing to develop technical means that could be used to build a bomb and it would likely be capable of producing enough enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon "sometime during the 2010-2015 time-frame."

The shift in the intelligence community's thinking on Iran comes five years after a flawed NIE concluded neighboring Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction -- a report that helped pave the way for the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.

No nuclear, chemical or biological weapons were ever found in Iraq and intelligence agencies since have been more cautious about Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, who have repeatedly accused Iran of seeking nuclear weapons, were briefed on the new NIE last Wednesday.

Washington, which insists it wants to solve the Iran problem diplomatically while leaving military options "on the table," is pushing for tougher U.N. sanctions against Tehran but faces resistance from China and Russia.

Iran insists it wants nuclear technology only for civilian purposes, such as electricity generation.

The nuclear standoff has become a major issue in the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, with candidates weighing in on the prospects for military action against Iran.

U.S. STILL SEES IRANIAN "RISK"

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, among senior Democrats who had requested the updated report on Iran, said the assessment challenged some of the administration's "alarming rhetoric about the threat posed by Iran."

He and other critics had accused Bush trying to rush the country into war again based on faulty intelligence.

Bush's national security adviser said that on balance the report was "good news," insisting it showed Tehran was susceptible to international pressure but that the risk of it acquiring nuclear weapons "remains a very serious problem."

But he added: "The international community has to understand that if we want to avoid a situation where we either have to accept Iran on a road to a nuclear weapon ... or the possibility of having to use force to stop it with all the connotations of World War III, then we need to step up the diplomacy, step up the pressure."

Administration officials denied the new NIE had exposed a serious intelligence lapse but could not explain how agencies failed to detect for four years that Iran's nuclear weapons program had been halted.

Intelligence officials said the suspension involved design and engineering for a bomb and covert uranium-conversion work.

A key NIE finding was that: "Tehran's decision to halt its nuclear weapons program suggests it is less determined to develop nuclear weapons than we have been judging since 2005."

Still, the report said: "We also assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons."


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ernie



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you mean anti-bush or anti-stupidity?
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question. In this case the answer is probably both as they are definitely against Bush, and attacking Iran would be really stupid.
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Leonidas



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ernie wrote:
do you mean anti-bush or anti-stupidity?

Aren't they the same thing? Really Bush is the biggest mistake to happen to the world in decades.
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keysbottles



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

80% of the USA is anti-bush!
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like the neo-con cabal is between a rock and a hard place.

on one hand it seems like they won't be able to fool the people with another round of false intelligence.

on the other hand, a false flag operation might be too bold with the 9-11 conspiracy movement sniffing around everywhere.

so i guess the question is, how badly do they want it? Or, how f'n insane are these people?
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not all bad for the neo-cons.

According to the report, the Iranians ceased developing nuclear weapons in Fall of 2003.
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Its not all bad for the neo-cons.

According to the report, the Iranians ceased developing nuclear weapons in Fall of 2003.


are those two separate statements? or are they linked?
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loose_ends wrote:
on one hand it seems like they won't be able to fool the people with another round of false intelligence.

on the other hand, a false flag operation might be too bold with the 9-11 conspiracy movement sniffing around everywhere.



keysbottles wrote:
80% of the USA is anti-bush!


I don't know that they would be able to get away with another false flag operation on US soil, despite Cheney's attempts to prepare us for a nuclear attack. I have no direct evidence for this, and if anyone does I wish they'd post it, but I'm guessing Bush has little support even among the military.
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
loose_ends wrote:
on one hand it seems like they won't be able to fool the people with another round of false intelligence.

on the other hand, a false flag operation might be too bold with the 9-11 conspiracy movement sniffing around everywhere.



keysbottles wrote:
80% of the USA is anti-bush!


I don't know that they would be able to get away with another false flag operation on US soil, despite Cheney's attempts to prepare us for a nuclear attack. I have no direct evidence for this, and if anyone does I wish they'd post it, but I'm guessing Bush has little support even among the military.


i know a few people predicted a dirty bomb or something of the sort back in october or november coinciding with all the drills being organized. that obviously didn't happen.

i think an attack on american soil, loosely linked to iran, would be the only way to justify a war.

a false flag operation would accomplish such but as i stated earlier, the timing may not be appropriate.

2008 is going to be an interesting year.
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mcgeezer



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further evidence that the Bush administration is pushing for ANOTHER war based on false pretenses....

Ray McGovern (ex CIA Chief) has been saying this for years!
Hopefully now people will realize the lies and the heat on Iran will be toned down which will be good for the middle-east peace process...
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgeezer wrote:
Further evidence that the Bush administration is pushing for ANOTHER war based on false pretenses....

Ray McGovern (ex CIA Chief) has been saying this for years!

It would be nice if you provided a link for that.
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atomic42



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://aliberaldose.blogspot.com/2007/05/ex-cia-heavy-ive-got-goods-on-cheney.html
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

atomic42 wrote:
http://aliberaldose.blogspot.com/2007/05/ex-cia-heavy-ive-got-goods-on-cheney.html

Thanks, but that link only refers to the IraQ war.
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atomic42



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry about that.
Googles broken?
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