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thepeel



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. It is a rock and a hard place. We are going to choose between the less of two bad choices.

I say, use diplomacy (and maybe sabotage) and wait for the demographics to change the nature of the political/cultural/economic face of the country. If NATO or the US or Israel hit them, we lose that generation for ever.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
Yes. It is a rock and a hard place. We are going to choose between the less of two bad choices.

I say, use diplomacy (and maybe sabotage) and wait for the demographics to change the nature of the political/cultural/economic face of the country. If NATO or the US or Israel hit them, we lose that generation for ever.


Ok , I don't think your position is so different from mine.

I agree with what you say but at the same time invest in an insurance policy.
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igotthisguitar



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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iraqi Shiite Leader Defends Iran
By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD - Iraq's most influential Shiite politician said Sunday that the U.S had not backed up claims that Iran is fueling violence here, underscoring a wide gap on the issue between Washington and the Shiite-led Baghdad government.



A draft bill to "ease curbs" on ex-Saddam Hussein loyalists in government services also drew sharp criticism from Shiite lawmakers, opening old wounds at a time when the United States is pressing the Iraqis for compromise for the sake of national unity.

The Americans have long accused the Iranians of arming and training Shiite militias, including some linked to the U.S.-backed government of Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki Idea

U.S. officials have also alleged that Iran has provided weapons used to kill Americans
� a charge the Iranians vehemently deny.


"These are only accusations raised by the multinational forces and I think these accusations need more proof," Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Islamic Iraq Council, told reporters.

Al-Hakim, who has been undergoing treatment for lung cancer in Iran, said the Iranians have insisted in meetings with Iraqi officials that "their true will is to support the Iraqi government" and to promote stability.

"They have a long history of standing by the Iraqi people and that is their official stance that is presented to the press without any hesitation," he said.

Al-Hakim spent years in exile in Iran during Saddam's regime and is considered closer to the Iranians than any of the major Iraqi Shiite leaders. His party has also closely cooperated with American authorities since the 2003 collapse of Saddam's regime, and he has met with President Bush in the Oval Office.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071125/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, now we're not attacking Iran.

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If there was ever a possibility that President George W. Bush would drop bombs on Iran, the chances have now shrunk to nearly zero.

In one of the most dramatic National Intelligence Estimates ever, the 16 agencies of the U.S. intelligence community concluded today "with high confidence" that Iran "halted its nuclear weapons" four years ago, in the fall of 2003.

The NIE, which was released this afternoon, also judges "with moderate confidence" that Iran won't be "technically capable" of producing enough materials for an atom bomb�much less the bomb itself�until 2010-15 or possibly later.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps some of the Americans could clarify.. Is this a Bush sponsored NIE or a slap in Bush's face by means of an NIE or something else altogether?
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
Perhaps some of the Americans could clarify.. Is this a Bush sponsored NIE or a slap in Bush's face by means of an NIE or something else altogether?


Well, perhaps you're going to want a second opinion, but the NIE is generally regarded as being independent of Bush.

In other words, the Intelligence community is fighting against administration spin. Part of the reason for this is that Bush blamed the Iraq War on 'faulty' intelligence, rather than admitting that the War was entirely spun by the administration cherry-picking intelligence data.
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