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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| So, mm2, your observation is that the current American government has respected their constitution? That all the laws they have passed, and that are in effect, are in full legal line with the constitution? |
No, he's saying that the courts will invalidate the law. The problem is that this process can take years, and in the meanwhile, many lives are destroyed, lots of liberty is lost, and we are diminished as a country as a result.
Worse yet, courts do not always decide correctly. Then it could take decades before another court overturns it. I think lawmakers ought to be held accountable for voting for clearly unconstitutional laws in the first place. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
| So, mm2, your observation is that the current American government has respected their constitution? That all the laws they have passed, and that are in effect, are in full legal line with the constitution? |
No, he's saying that the courts will invalidate the law. The problem is that this process can take years, and in the meanwhile, many lives are destroyed, lots of liberty is lost, and we are diminished as a country as a result.
Worse yet, courts do not always decide correctly. Then it could take decades before another court overturns it. I think lawmakers ought to be held accountable for voting for clearly unconstitutional laws in the first place. |
Well, depends. Some laws that are so manifestly in violation of the constitution are challenged right away, before anyone is even arrested. I would think if (and that's a big if) the article's interpretation of the proposed law is accurate, it wouldn't be long. I seem to recall a previous congressional attempt to curtail internet porn was challenged ASAP.
To thepeel, many people who are in support of gun control see certain laws as reasonable and responsible and not a constitutional violation. Those who are pro-gun immediately see it as an infringement. When congress passes laws, they are always infringing upon the actions of others. Oh well. You got a better system of government? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I sure don't. The American system is the best ever conceived. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
| So, mm2, your observation is that the current American government has respected their constitution? That all the laws they have passed, and that are in effect, are in full legal line with the constitution? |
No, he's saying that the courts will invalidate the law. The problem is that this process can take years, and in the meanwhile, many lives are destroyed, lots of liberty is lost, and we are diminished as a country as a result.
Worse yet, courts do not always decide correctly. Then it could take decades before another court overturns it. I think lawmakers ought to be held accountable for voting for clearly unconstitutional laws in the first place. |
Well, depends. Some laws that are so manifestly in violation of the constitution are challenged right away, before anyone is even arrested. I would think if (and that's a big if) the article's interpretation of the proposed law is accurate, it wouldn't be long. I seem to recall a previous congressional attempt to curtail internet porn was challenged ASAP.
To thepeel, many people who are in support of gun control see certain laws as reasonable and responsible and not a constitutional violation. Those who are pro-gun immediately see it as an infringement. When congress passes laws, they are always infringing upon the actions of others. Oh well. You got a better system of government? |
i used to be pro gun control.
however i have quickly realized how important those guns actually are.
Americans, please don't give up your guns. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| loose_ends wrote: |
i used to be pro gun control.
however i have quickly realized how important those guns actually are.
Americans, please don't give up your guns. |
Ditto. And another good reason to support Ron Paul for president. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| loose_ends wrote: |
i used to be pro gun control.
however i have quickly realized how important those guns actually are.
Americans, please don't give up your guns. |
Ditto. And another good reason to support Ron Paul for president. |
Yep. |
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