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bacasper
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Sorry about that.
Googles broken? |
C'mon, I always provide you guys with links. What, do I have to do all the work?  |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Do I have this right? The CIA was in on offing JFK, installing the Shah and Pinochet, getting rid of Nixon, but was NOT in on the 'inside job' of 9-11. Is that all correct so far?
This from the Italy thread:
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| while all democratic elements of America and Europe, and especially the Italian center-left, are well aware that the disastrous attack was planned and executed by the American CIA and the Mossad with help from organized Zionists |
I think you can see why things are getting confused.
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atomic42
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Nope.
(we) are well aware that the disastrous attack was planned and executed by the American CIA and the Mossad with help from organized Zionists in order to accuse the Arab world and to induce the Western powers to intervene in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Do I have this right? The CIA was in on offing JFK, installing the Shah and Pinochet, getting rid of Nixon, but was NOT in on the 'inside job' of 9-11. Is that all correct so far?
This from the Italy thread:
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| while all democratic elements of America and Europe, and especially the Italian center-left, are well aware that the disastrous attack was planned and executed by the American CIA and the Mossad with help from organized Zionists |
I think you can see why things are getting confused. |
now i am confused...am i in the wrong thread, or are you? |
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mcgeezer
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| It would be nice if you provided a link for that. |
what would you like a quote for? i think it's universally accepted that there are ZERO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq....
As for McGovern go to YouTube and watch him grill rumsfeld about it!!
http://www.youtube.com
type in Ray McGovern and it's the first one....
There are also more interesting radio shows and lectures he does which are fantastic |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| It would be nice if you provided a link for that. |
what would you like a quote for? i think it's universally accepted that there are ZERO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq....
As for McGovern go to YouTube and watch him grill rumsfeld about it!!
http://www.youtube.com
type in Ray McGovern and it's the first one....
There are also more interesting radio shows and lectures he does which are fantastic |
Ray McGovern is not above being questioned. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Its not all bad for the neo-cons.
According to the report, the Iranians ceased developing nuclear weapons in Fall of 2003. |
are those two separate statements? or are they linked? |
Here's an argument the neo-cons might make: America's invasion of Iraq intimidated Iran into giving up pursuit of nuclear weapons.
Counter-argument: Iran is not intimidated, because they have done everything to make the world believe they are pursuing nuclear weapons (including denying it).
Here's an argument I will make. This intelligence is spectacular news for American foreign policy. The Iranians have less leverage diplomatically. They have all the int'l isolation, without any of the technological weapons progress. Iran is in the worst possible position to threaten anyone. It has become less of a player in the region.
The NIE likely developed this report to counter fear in the Arab world of the Iranian bomb. Such fear was driving countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia into starting their own nuclear weapons programs. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Do I have this right? The CIA was in on offing JFK, installing the Shah and Pinochet, getting rid of Nixon, but was NOT in on the 'inside job' of 9-11. Is that all correct so far?
This from the Italy thread:
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| while all democratic elements of America and Europe, and especially the Italian center-left, are well aware that the disastrous attack was planned and executed by the American CIA and the Mossad with help from organized Zionists |
I think you can see why things are getting confused. |
Ya-ta Boy Logic? |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Its not all bad for the neo-cons.
According to the report, the Iranians ceased developing nuclear weapons in Fall of 2003. |
are those two separate statements? or are they linked? |
Here's an argument the neo-cons might make: America's invasion of Iraq intimidated Iran into giving up pursuit of nuclear weapons.
Counter-argument: Iran is not intimidated, because they have done everything to make the world believe they are pursuing nuclear weapons (including denying it).
Here's an argument I will make. This intelligence is spectacular news for American foreign policy. The Iranians have less leverage diplomatically. They have all the int'l isolation, without any of the technological weapons progress. Iran is in the worst possible position to threaten anyone. It has become less of a player in the region.
The NIE likely developed this report to counter fear in the Arab world of the Iranian bomb. Such fear was driving countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia into starting their own nuclear weapons programs. |
your argument has merit assuming the neocons' number one agenda is peace in the mid-east.
i think one could make a reasonable argument that mid-east peace, while being desired, is not the main agenda for military conflicts within the region.
if one assumes that there is a different agenda for going into afghanistan, iraq, and for wanting to go into iran, then this current revelation would be perceived as being bad among neocons at the top. |
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catman
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Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden on Tuesday said he can't believe President Bush hasn't known for months about a recent intelligence estimate that downplays the nuclear threat from Iran.
Are you telling me a president that's briefed every single morning, who's fixated on Iran, is not told back in August that the tentative conclusion of 16 intelligence agencies in the U.S. government said they had abandoned their effort for a nuclear weapon in '03?" Biden asked in a conference call with reporters.
"I refuse to believe that," he added. "If that's true, he has the most incompetent staff in modern American history, and he's one of the most incompetent presidents in modern American history."
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mcgeezer
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Ray McGovern is not above being questioned |
make your case then Joo....was what he said to Rumself inaccurate??
are the men he works with in VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Officials for Sanity) liars and phonies?>
If you're gonna make a statement u gotta back it up!!
AND PLEASE DON"T CUT AND PASTE A BUNCH OF GARBAGE THAT NO ONE BOTHERS TO READ BECAUSE IT'S NOT RELEVANt |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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For the neocons and the hawks, it doesn't really seem to be about nukes at all, does it.
Bush was briefed on the NIE last week, yet he said Iran's nuclear programs are risking World War III.
So if Iran has really stopped its weapons development plans, what do the neocons hope to accomplish by continuing to push it?
A possible answer: Iran is the last independent nation in the Middle East. All the rest have been somehow conquered, pacified or domesticated. Or are too small to matter. If the US invades Iran, the conquest of the Middle East will be complete. |
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mcgeezer
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| If the US invades Iran, the conquest of the Middle East will be complete. |
i couldn't agree with you more! Although contrary to what some posters on here beleive it will be easier said than done!! |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
For the neocons and the hawks, it doesn't really seem to be about nukes at all, does it.
Bush was briefed on the NIE last week, yet he said Iran's nuclear programs are risking World War III.
So if Iran has really stopped its weapons development plans, what do the neocons hope to accomplish by continuing to push it?
A possible answer: Iran is the last independent nation in the Middle East. All the rest have been somehow conquered, pacified or domesticated. Or are too small to matter. If the US invades Iran, the conquest of the Middle East will be complete. |
so the question remains,
how do the neocons justify a war with iran now? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Case Iran is dem der terrirsts. They wanna come over here and kill honest, hardworking Americans. USA!USA!USA! |
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