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tiger fancini
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 Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: Shootings in Nebraska shopping mall |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7129906.stm
A gunman has stormed through a shopping centre in the US state of Nebraska, killing eight people before turning the gun on himself, police say. |
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cj1976
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| America seriously needs to think about it's gun laws and (lack of) control. This year there seems to have been a lot of shootings, and I'm not really surprised. I think the problem is 'have guns, will shoot'. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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This one's home-grown, not like the last one. At least we didn't have to send out halfway across the world to find a guy goofy enough in the head to think being famous is worth doing anything ...
What is it about America that confuses people so? Is it really just the availability of guns? I'm not convinced. I think the guns just give it a sensational outlet so that we notice it - a symptom, really, of something deeper that makes people get bent ...
If that's the case, a similar thing probably happens in other countries, other cultures, but it doesn't get noticed so easily because the lack of guns makes the result not so news-flashy. It would be expressed in other ways - suicide bombing, flamboyant sexual eccentricities, etc.
In some cultures, it's perfectly acceptable to be a loner, go your own way and do your odd little dance, and people don't think much of it. I think America has one of those cultures where being noticed and appreciated in a positive way people around you is almost as important as brerathing ... Korea is another culture a bit like that, of course, hence Mr Cho at VA Tech ... |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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One of the victims was a retired 61 year old English Teacher. You know it really sucks when you spend your life giving to others, working towards retirement and then something like this happens. Merry Christmas!  |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| America seriously needs to think about it's gun laws and (lack of) control. This year there seems to have been a lot of shootings, and I'm not really surprised. I think the problem is 'have guns, will shoot'. |
America has over 400 million people. It's about the size of Europe. Don't forget that. America is a country full of people from all walks of life from every country around the world. Just imagine if all the countries in Europe were judged as one country. That's basically what you are doing. Every state has different gun laws. And getting rid of all the guns in America will not stop the killings. The news today was about a mother who's suspected of killing five children in her home in Germany. I don't think she used a gun. Lots of people go off the deep end all around the world. It's not just in America. And there are worse things other than guns. Don't forget about what Timothy McVeigh used, explosives! |
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atomic42
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
| America has over 400 million people. |
You sure about that? Might wanna check before you wreck it.
Europe has more than double the population of the US and nowhere near the homicide stats. |
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SHANE02
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| America seriously needs to think about it's gun laws and (lack of) control. This year there seems to have been a lot of shootings, and I'm not really surprised. I think the problem is 'have guns, will shoot'. |
yes but to me guns are only part of the problem.
1. Guns,
2. a state/media that controls people by fear (making them defensive),
3. glamorization of violence in music and vusual media,
4 a lack of affordable health care/medication |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| SHANE02 wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| America seriously needs to think about it's gun laws and (lack of) control. This year there seems to have been a lot of shootings, and I'm not really surprised. I think the problem is 'have guns, will shoot'. |
yes but to me guns are only part of the problem.
1. Guns,
2. a state/media that controls people by fear (making them defensive),
3. glamorization of violence in music and vusual media,
4 a lack of affordable health care/medication |
You forgot some:
5. The evil McDonald's and Walmart
6. Angelina Jolie |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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This, IMO, is what is wrong with threads like this one:
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| � Omaha gunman's suicide note: 'Now I'll be famous' |
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lastat06513
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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This is a serious reason why the US needs to tighten their gun laws seriously......unfortunately it is as much of a political issue as it is a safety one.
Many federal congressmen (especially in the south and west) are totally against it because it infringes on the rights of "respectable" citizens to have guns.
Why do ordinary people need guns?
Protection? Ha!
If guns were taken off the streets, the police would be entrusted with doing their job since they should be the only ones to possess weapons in the public domain.....
Some people say it would infringe on their 2nd amendment right (interpreted as saying "people have the right to bear arms...")- but people forget to read the REST of that amendment when it says "in an organized, regulated militia" (hence, the National Guard)......since that right is organized at the state level AS the Army National Guard, the right to bear arms has little effect on the ordinary citizen, unless they are a guardsman.
I have a question to ask my Canadian peers- What is the rate of gun-related crimes being committed north of the border? I am sincerely asking this question to help make a contrasting picture of both societies and how guns play a part in each of them......
The more I see stuff like this, it makes me alittle ashame to call myself "An American".......seriously |
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dogshed
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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My friend in Omaha replied to my email.
He said the news keeps repeating cliches like "a quiet midwestern town".
He said there were 30 homicides in Omaha last year. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| America seriously needs to think about it's gun laws and (lack of) control. This year there seems to have been a lot of shootings, and I'm not really surprised. I think the problem is 'have guns, will shoot'. |
America has over 400 million people. It's about the size of Europe. Don't forget that. America is a country full of people from all walks of life from every country around the world. Just imagine if all the countries in Europe were judged as one country. That's basically what you are doing. Every state has different gun laws. And getting rid of all the guns in America will not stop the killings. The news today was about a mother who's suspected of killing five children in her home in Germany. I don't think she used a gun. Lots of people go off the deep end all around the world. It's not just in America. And there are worse things other than guns. Don't forget about what Timothy McVeigh used, explosives! |
When did the US population gain an extra 100 million people? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Abandoned by his family as a young child, dumped by his girlfriend two weeks before, just fired from his job,... in the depth of his despair, anger, loneliness and sense of meaningless... is it any surprise that the teenager would do something impulsive and destructive? add to that access to guns and a culture of fame and media attention given to those who kill in public murder-suicide sprees (come on, can you name the Virginia Tech killer? see). And according to a CNN interview, the last thing the Omaha teen said to the landlord who was taking care of him was that he was gonna be famous.
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| When did the US population gain an extra 100 million people? |
Illegals.  |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
This is a serious reason why the US needs to tighten their gun laws seriously......unfortunately it is as much of a political issue as it is a safety one.
Many federal congressmen (especially in the south and west) are totally against it because it infringes on the rights of "respectable" citizens to have guns.
Why do ordinary people need guns?
Protection? Ha!
If guns were taken off the streets, the police would be entrusted with doing their job since they should be the only ones to possess weapons in the public domain.....
Some people say it would infringe on their 2nd amendment right (interpreted as saying "people have the right to bear arms...")- but people forget to read the REST of that amendment when it says "in an organized, regulated militia" (hence, the National Guard)......since that right is organized at the state level AS the Army National Guard, the right to bear arms has little effect on the ordinary citizen, unless they are a guardsman.
I have a question to ask my Canadian peers- What is the rate of gun-related crimes being committed north of the border? I am sincerely asking this question to help make a contrasting picture of both societies and how guns play a part in each of them......
The more I see stuff like this, it makes me alittle ashame to call myself "An American".......seriously |
The militia part is not the REST.
It is the beginning.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Notice you misquoted the part about "well regulated".
The word organized is not in there.
This is a right relegated to the people not the state.
It is an explicit "right of the people".
It doesn't say may not it says shall not.
The supreme court disagrees with you.
I have an opinion that placing the Militia in the hands of the Feds
(National Guard) violates the (free) states right to regulate the militia,
the supreme court disagrees with me.
Be ASHAMED if you like,
but the real shame is in misquoting the Bill of Rights. |
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Leonidas
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Too many damn guns. Get rid of the guns and violent crimes will be reduced - not eliminated, but reduced. Definitely worth doing
Honestly, no one needs to own a gun. How many people hunt for their own food? What other reason is there to own a gun. |
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