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Ya-ta Boy
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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fnord n.
[from the "Illuminatus Trilogy"] 1. A word used in email and news postings to tag utterances as surrealist mind-play or humor, esp. in connection with Discordianism and elaborate conspiracy theories. "I heard that David Koresh is sharing an apartment in Argentina with Hitler. (Fnord.)" "Where can I fnord get the Principia Discordia from?" 2. A metasyntactic variable, commonly used by hackers with ties to Discordianism or the Church of the SubGenius. |
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Don Calliente
Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Location: SEOUL
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: ENDGAME: Blueprint for Global Enslavement |
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| 1. I didn't say it was, although naturally, for the average American this would be a disaster. Not so much for the Mexicans mind you. However, if you like the thought of your sovereignty being taken away without you having a say on that matter then yes, i suppose its a jolly good idea. |
So attending an international conference where other world leaders are and discussing things with them constitutes a violation of the Logan Act? Well, lock up Sean Penn and Jimmy Carter. And really, the Logan Act? Weak. It was passed in 1799 and used exactly once, in the 19th century. Also, it's never been subject to a court challenge.
The act:
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Text of the Logan Act
� 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects. |
Since the meetings are secret (ie no record of what was said), how would such a charge even stick? That's just silly.
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| The original intention of the Bilderberg Group was to further the understanding between Western Europe and North America through informal meetings between powerful individuals. Each year, a "steering committee" devises a selected invitation list with a maximum of 100 names. Invitations are extended only to residents of Europe and North America. |
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| 2. The formation of the union isn't democratic so what makes you think that the subsequent union would be any different? Of course, the facade of democracy would be there, but as with the signing of the Patriot act you mentioned, when it comes to the real issues, the elite will just bypass the democratic process. |
How is the formation not democratic? If enacted by democratically elected governments, it seems to be democratic. We don't all have a vote when city council installs a new four way stop. Is that anti-democratic?
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3. The planned crash of the dollar
Jones provides quotes from the likes of Rockefeller, Greenspan and Kissinger from as far back as the 1970's stating that for the New World Order to come about, they must systematically crash the dollar. |
Do you have a text link to those quotes? Or what is the time on the video that the quotes appear? Quote mining is a favorite sport of the nutters, you know.
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| No, there is a 'trade agreement' in place, not a political union. This is the exact same tactic that the governments in Europe pulled to persuade Europeans not to worry about their national sovereignty. Now 75% of laws for the UK are made in Brussels. |
Which laws? Trade agreements do come with regulation. Oh well. Are Europeans generally against the EU?
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| Except, this is not some official commitee of world bodies, this is a secretive clandestine meeting of 'invited elites'. As i pointed out, any US official attending is breaking the Logan act and thus commiting treason. But thats ok because they are looking after you by improving the system right?! |
People are free to associate as they see fit? That's a basic freedom, no one limited if you're suddenly an "elite"? Now, the Logan Act was created because some cracker was trying to negotiate a peace treaty between the USA and France during a mini war. The intent sure seems to be applied if a citizen is trying to interfere in a crisis.
Further consider the state department's 1975 interpretation:
The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign governments.
A bunch of guys discussing trade and culture sure doesn't seem like it violates the intent of the Logan Act.
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| The most in debt country in the world you mean? The credit crisis is out of control in the US and boy are you guys going to feel it when they completely crash the dollar. |
For the last 40 years, America has been in crisis of some kind. Communism, oil shock, inflation, stagflation, threats of deflation, over heated economy, recession, rust belts, dust bowls, energy crisis, grid lock, a dollar too strong, a dollar too low, etc. Oh well. You'll forgive me if doomsday talk doesn't really phase someone who has lived through 30+ years of "America is on the verge of..." talk.
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| From a moral standpoint at least, the highway has been contracted out to a Spanish company who will make profits from tolling the road for at least the next 50 years! There will be registration plate readers at every checkpoint down the road. Im sure the government will use this data for totally benevelant purposes of course. |
Why does it matter who builds the highway, as long as they submit the lowest bid and are capable. No? They register plates? Oh no! Next you're going to tell me when I use a cell phone the company keeps a log of my calls and can track me via cell phone towers. Guess what. When I use an ATM, I'm photographed? The moment you step out your door, your freedom largely goes out the window in a billion ways. We trade privacy to interact with the world. We trade privacy to gain convenience.
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| Future generations will NOT be making any decision. The plan is already set in stone. |
Someone has to come up with a plan. Plans can be changed if the people think they're getting a raw deal. I noticed the EU constitution failed based on popular votes. I'm rather confident, at least in Canada, that we'd bring down a government that tried to institute an international agreement the majority found unpalatable.
From your site:
"Learn about the formation of the North America transportation control grid, which will end U.S. sovereignty forever."
Who is America going to give up their sovereignty to, exactly? Canada? |
Whilst I agree with the above totally, I think you're feeding the trolls rather than the possibility of ever changing their minds...
Anyway, I'll join in.
Question to the nutbags - If the European Union is so facist, why haven't Brussels forced the UK to adopt the Euro yet?
And I'll finish with this. If you think govt's don't by and large do as they please anyway and haven't always done so - you are blind. Bush and Co stealing the presidency anyone? UK and US invading Iraq despite majority public opposition and false intel...?
It's been going on ever since big monkey learned he could take the other monkey's nanas. But he realised sooner or later that the other monkeys might gang up against him if they one day figured out how to. So he pretended to be a nice monkey in public and made a show of picking all the nanas to save them time and then giving them a few for free and continued to be a greedy monkey in private... or something like that... I'm too tired to write anything better...
Actually monkeys are pretty nice to each other aren't they?
These days polititians realise they have to be super nice monkeys in public to keep us convinced they are indeed super nice monkeys and they have to make our lives comfortable so we are happy and will vote for them and turn a blind eye to the way they are exploiting monkeys in other countries to keep us in nice cheap oil and coffee and Nikes - yay!
All I can say is that things have slowly got better over the years (thanks Greek monkeys for that democracy idea...) and they may well continue to do so...
Heee hee heee ha ha ha ooh ooh oohh.... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: ENDGAME: Blueprint for Global Enslavement |
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| All I can say is that things have slowly got better over the years (thanks Greek monkeys for that democracy idea...) and they may well continue to do so... |
I gotta agree. There are currently more obese people in the world than malnourished. As a baseline, that seems rather amazing. |
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| There are up to a million foreign troops already hiding in the US; many of them are from Britain, Nicaragua and I-can't-remember-where-all. |
Mexico?
!shoosh,
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Tud Ferguson
Joined: 03 Dec 2006
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| Is there anyone who doubts that members of the government had their hands in it? |
Yes. Me. Penn Jillette. Teller. Popular Mechanics. Anyway, check out the current events forum for that topic of debate. |
Well my friend you are obvisouly a fool, Popular mechanics is a media spin tool, and disinformation outlet, and Penn Jillette is a fat stupid slob. There are many many far more informed and intelligent people than you or I (or Penn Gillette) who believe in some form of government involvemnet. Why is that? |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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incrementalism. like the tortise...steady and sure.
the US is not a democracy. never has been. never was intended to be. kinda makes one wonder my mr. bush is always throwing the term around. |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating
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| He shows video of top US officials (Rice, Clinton etc) talking about creating closer 'economic ties' with Canada and Mexico. |
Bastards. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Tud Ferguson wrote: |
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| Is there anyone who doubts that members of the government had their hands in it? |
Yes. Me. Penn Jillette. Teller. Popular Mechanics. Anyway, check out the current events forum for that topic of debate. |
Well my friend you are obvisouly a fool, Popular mechanics is a media spin tool, and disinformation outlet, and Penn Jillette is a fat stupid slob. There are many many far more informed and intelligent people than you or I (or Penn Gillette) who believe in some form of government involvemnet. Why is that? |
Your belief is yours and I'm sure you're confident in it, seeing as no detail escapes your notice. |
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Don Calliente
Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Location: SEOUL
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: ENDGAME: Blueprint for Global Enslavement |
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| All I can say is that things have slowly got better over the years (thanks Greek monkeys for that democracy idea...) and they may well continue to do so... |
I gotta agree. There are currently more obese people in the world than malnourished. As a baseline, that seems rather amazing. |
Actually I'd imagine it's the inverse case. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: ENDGAME: Blueprint for Global Enslavement |
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| Don Calliente wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| All I can say is that things have slowly got better over the years (thanks Greek monkeys for that democracy idea...) and they may well continue to do so... |
I gotta agree. There are currently more obese people in the world than malnourished. As a baseline, that seems rather amazing. |
Actually I'd imagine it's the inverse case. |
Apparently true:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4793455.stm |
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