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atomic42
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae
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(3) 9/11 Conspiracy
Only an utter moron believes that there's some massive conspiracy other than the one in which Bin Laden's hijackers were involved. There is no government inside job and, yes, there really was an airplane that crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. |
Cuz your TV tells you so? 
Read a little, friend. I was you less than 2 years ago. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| atomic42 wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
(3) 9/11 Conspiracy
Only an utter moron believes that there's some massive conspiracy other than the one in which Bin Laden's hijackers were involved. There is no government inside job and, yes, there really was an airplane that crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. |
Cuz your TV tells you so?
Read a little, friend. I was you less than 2 years ago. |
No, you jerk. I'll trust the people I went to school with who lost relatives in the plane crash. I'll trust the actual scientists--not the whackjobs you apparenlty love--who investigated the incident.
If you managed to lose your thinking ability in less than two years, then you should cut waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back on the drinking and/or drugs. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: |
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(1) Gay Marriage
Any two adults should be able to form legally binding unions. What anyone calls it is of no concern to me.
(2) Abortion
I am deeply uncomfortable with it in normal cases.
(3) 9/11 Conspiracy
I disagree slightly with CentralCali. He said it takes an utter moron...I am firmly convinced it takes a COMPLETE and utter moron to believe in a conspiracy.
(4) Legalizing Marijuana
Sure. Why not? Legalize it and tax it.
(5) Global Warming
Not fully convinced, but leaning in that direction.
(6) Legalizing Prostitution
Prostitution will be around till they figure out how to put the brain implant thingie in where you just push a button and have endless orgasms and maybe even after that. So yeah, legalize it.
(7) Health Care
A national health care system in long long overdue.
(8 ) Church & State
The church building itself shouldn't be taxed, but any other property the church owns should be. Churches that engage in political activity should be fined. Basically, all church sermons should last precisely as long as it takes the minister to say, "Good morning. Be nice to other people. Go home."
(9) War on Terrorism
Terrorist organizations should be fought with every resource a government has, but terrorism should not be the central organizing principle of a gov'ts foreign policy. 99% of the work should be done by intelligence agencies.
(10) Ass-man or Breast-man
I'm amazed that so many people have such limited imaginations. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
(3) 9/11 Conspiracy
I disagree slightly with CentralCali. He said it takes an utter moron...I am firmly convinced it takes a COMPLETE and utter moron to believe in a conspiracy. |
I keep forgetting there are degrees of Whacked Out Stupidity. Thanks for reminding me that there's one beneath Utter Moron. I wonder how atomic42 feels to be considered more stupid than IGTG.
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(8 ) Church & State
Basically, all church sermons should last precisely as long as it takes the minister to say, "Good morning. Be nice to other people. Go home." |
Ever hear of a comedian called Biscuit? He's LDS and for an LDS audience, he said, "I think that testimony meeting should be over the second anyone on the stand falls asleep. If the Bishop doesn't have to be awake that early on a Sunday, then neither do I. Time to go home!" |
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atomic42
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
(3) 9/11 Conspiracy
I disagree slightly with CentralCali. He said it takes an utter moron...I am firmly convinced it takes a COMPLETE and utter moron to believe in a conspiracy. |
I keep forgetting there are degrees of Whacked Out Stupidity. Thanks for reminding me that there's one beneath Utter Moron. I wonder how atomic42 feels to be considered more stupid than IGTG. |
Oh look! The sheep consider me to be beneath an utter moron!
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I am firmly convinced it takes a COMPLETE and utter moron to believe in a conspiracy.
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What do you think of the conspiracy to fly planes into the twin towers? Am I nuts for believing that 18 pissed off muslims did it? They certainly conspired, didn't they? |
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atomic42
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:22 am Post subject: |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Anyways, there are enough 9/11 threads now. I liked this one the way it was. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Anyways, there are enough 9/11 threads now. I liked this one the way it was. |
I agree. Please stop asking stupid questions.
Back to the topic. |
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atomic42
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Where do YOU stand on the following issues? |
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Judging from the responses thus far, this is quite the liberal, or perhaps libertarian board.
Here are my viewpoints and I'm a Canadian by the way.
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| (1) Gay Marriage |
I believe if an adult couple loves each other then yes, they should be able to enter into marriage and be legally recognized by the state.
After all, if you believe in the separation of religion and state, then the institution of marriage is no longer a religious one in our society, but a state one.
However, at the same time I would offer religious or other non-state institutions that carry out marriage vows the option to refuse to conduct homosexuals or even heterosexual marriages if they choose.
Basically, a gay couple could not sue a church if the church didn't want to marry them.
I would personally really struggle with this choice. And as a man it wouldn't really even be my choice. But I really don't know how I would feel about it unless I was in that position.
But I would never attempt to enforce my beliefs on another women and dictate what she could or could not do with her own body.
I also believe that the subject of abortion should be treated a bit differently depending on the birth cycle in the woman's womb.
Basically, before the first 49 days while there is not even a fetus but an embryo, I believe a woman should be able to walk into a clinic or a hospital and receive an abortion no questions asked.
However, after the first 49 days when the embryo develops into a fetus, I think doctors should be required to at least mention the aspects of this (the development of the sex, eye lids, pineal gland, ect...) to the women. Perhaps make her wait a day or two after before making the final decision.
Basically during the first 49 days, no problems, but after that I would prefer a little more consideration.
Meanwhile late term abortions (7th-9th months) should only be performed for the health of the mother.
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| (3) 9/11 Conspiracy |
I've never bought the government explanation for the Kennedy assassination and my gut tells me not to trust the government�s version of 9/11.
Now I believe that terrorists did highjack the planes and fly them into the World Trade Towers. What kind of terrorists, I'm not entirely sure yet. But the way the government handled the 9/11 Commission, I truly believe that there is much more to the story.
And I also firmly believe that there are elements within the military, government, intelligence agencies, and big business, with the capacity to carry out an event like this.
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| (4) Legalizing Marijuana |
F#ck this decriminalization bull$hit, legalize it all the way!
Tax and regulate it if you wish for individuals who choose to sell marijuana in stores. But leave those alone who choose to grow it for themselves and their friends. Basically give each household a 3 plant minimum for growth.
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| (5) Global Warming |
Now I do believe that there is a natural cycle resulting in the heating of the planet. But I do also believe than humankind is accelerating this process.
I also believe that Western nations should do everything possible to lesson our dependency on fossil fuels.
I fully support government backed initiatives to help big business and individual citizens become more �green friendly�. Examples of this include providing heavy tax subsidies to industries and businesses to make their building much better at conserving energy. I would also provide tax rebates to citizens who purchase hybrid cars and require all automobile makers to start making more fuel efficient cars. All public transportation would be converted into hybrids or hydrogen based. And finally, I would make it law that people could now only purchase fuel efficient light bulbs.
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| (6) Legalizing Prostitution |
Again personally it�s not my thing, but if two consenting adults choose to partake in this transaction then that�s up to them.
But I do think the industry should be regulated with required health checks and taxes collected. Also specific section of cities would be limited to this industry.
I believe it�s a basic human right (along with security and education) for all individuals to be afforded health care.
But I am torn on whether to allow citizens the choice to pay for certain procedures at private clinics if they choose. Basically jump the waiting lists if they had the money. The reason I�m torn is that I believe that this could lead to a lack of doctors.
But if the state ran agency was able to maintain effective and reliable health care next to private clinics then I see no problems.
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| (8 ) Church & State |
I fully support the separation of church and state. And I believe the church is a business and should be taxed as a result.
If a municipal or provincial/state or even federal government choose to work with a private institution (even a religious one) to help the poor and disadvantaged then I see no problems as long as there institutions did not try to proselytize those that they were helping.
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| (9) War on Terrorism |
Let�s keep it real now, oil is the West�s economic life line and we need it in order to maintain our way of life. And this will result in our continued presence in some of the more volatile areas of the world and unfortunate support of dictatorships. This will inevitably result in more terrorism.
So just like I mentiond in my �Global Warming� comments, I think the West has to do everything possible to get away from this dependence on fossil fuels.
But in regards to the actual fight against terrorists, I believe it�s more of a police work and intelligence agencies field than a military one.
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(10) Ass-man or Breast-man  |
I like big butts and I cannot lie! ( |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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Gay Marriage
Hey, as long as no church must recognize it, then who cares?
Abortion
What kind of savage would advocate killing babies because the mother "chooses" to kill her unborn child? Yes, I do think some exceptions can be made...but not many.
9/11 Conspiracy
Yes, I do think there is a conspiracy...by the the fruit loops out there who think the government orchestrated it.
Legalizing Marijuana
Hey, there's enough potheads around that we just as well get some tax revenue off the crap.
[uGlobal Warming[/u]
Yes, it is happening and no, I haven't seen anything that convinces me that humans are causing it to happen. I still think we need to get over our oil addiction, though.
Legalizing Prostitution
Here's where you play the "choice" card. Hey, if someone is good enough to get paid for it, why not?
Health Care
I used to be very opposed to government health care. I have changed my position. It is too expensive for the common person without insurance and God help those that can't afford insurance.
Church & State
Talk about sheeple. The Constitution nowhere says there is a complete separation of church and state. It simply denies the government the ability to set up a state religion. If you truly want a separation, then government should have NO involvement in any aspect of church operations whatsoever. That includes building codes, tax exempt status, etc. Either there is separation or not. Make up your mind.
War on Terrorism
Necessary, but very poorly executed.
Ass-man or Breast-man
Actually I'm a leg man but, since the ass is closer to the legs, I'll go with ass-man. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Where do YOU stand on the following issues? |
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Why would they want to do that?
If you weren't involved in the conception, you ain't involved in the decision.
It's good for when I need to feel smarter than the tinfoil hat crowd.
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Subject to the same rules and restrictions as booze. Such as driving under the influence. Other than that, crank up the Bob Marley and puff away.
Crackpots on both sides of the issue have muddied the waters to the point that it's impossible to get anything done on it.
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As a job that's willingly entered into? With health benefits and medical services such as regular STD testing? Yes. Letting Johns and pimps get away with slavery? No.
Universal access for emergency or life-threatening conditions. If you can afford to pay for more, so be it.
If I wanted to live in Iran, I'd go to Iran.
It was a great way to get a second term out of the rubes. Hell, some of them still believe it.
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| Ass-man or Breast-man |
Yes please.
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Endo wrote:
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(3) 9/11 Conspiracy
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I've never bought the government explanation for the Kennedy assassination and my gut tells me not to trust the government�s version of 9/11.
Now I believe that terrorists did highjack the planes and fly them into the World Trade Towers. What kind of terrorists, I'm not entirely sure yet. But the way the government handled the 9/11 Commission, I truly believe that there is much more to the story.
And I also firmly believe that there are elements within the military, government, intelligence agencies, and big business, with the capacity to carry out an event like this. |
well said. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Where do YOU stand on the following issues? |
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Alright Current Events Posters, let's throw down the gauntlet and state where you stand on the following issues.
(1) Gay Marriage
(2) Abortion
(3) 9/11 Conspiracy
(4) Legalizing Marijuana
(5) Global Warming
(6) Legalizing Prostitution
(7) Health Care
(8 ) Church & State
(9) War on Terrorism
(10) Ass-man or Breast-man |
Gay marriage? As long as I am not forced into one, for example during a prison sentence, than I say to all those batting for the other team: Gay up!! - really, let those of that persuasion persuade. Who cares?
Abortion? I cannot take this off the table. I read where one poster said no late term abortions. In some cases, the abortion is long overdue. I have met people walking around that were prime candidates. I support post-term abortions when circumstances call for it.
9/11? Call me when you have proof.
#4: Yes.
#5: It's going to take a long time to derail this puppy. The Everest hike might not be so tough later. Or will it be more difficult? Climate change?
Prostitution? Yeah, make that go away. Nice try. Pootay and money makes the world go round. Plus, if ugly guys couldn't get laid, they would present a global security threat.
Health care? America should be ashamed that it doesn't provide this to its citizens.
#8: Don't get me started. I could write a book of WTF? about this.
#9: Convenient.
Lastly, I am an ass-man, but I can appreciate a nice set of fun-bags.
I had been wondering when I would use the term 'fun-bags'. I knew a guy that occasionally said that. I thought it was funny and stupid at the same time. Now I know when I would use it - to paint myself as an uncouth objectifier of the female form on an anonymous internet forum.
Anyway, I stand by these positions. I welcome arguments, as clearly I will kick ass. My thoughts on these matters are unassailable. |
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