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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: Top Koreans want foreigners to sleep with Koreans? |
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Or should we procreate with only ourselves?
Probably political BS, but......
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| The GNP�s Lee Myung-bak and 창조한국당�s Mun Kuk-hyeon both answered as the former CEOs they are by saying, �from the perspective of small and medium businesses that want to import the high-quality labor and specialists they need, I support it.� The two candidates both see a need for the country to bring in foreigners to boost the economy and �improve the birth rate problem.� |
Full article on foreigners' rights:
http://koreabeat.com/?p=549
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The Korea Association for Policy Analysis and Evaluation (한국정책학회) , acting in support of the elections commission, asked the seven major presidential candidates their views on proper policy for foreigners who wish to emigrate to Korea. They were asked first if and why they they look positively on foreigners immigrating to and settling in Korea, and then how broadly their rights should be secured.
All seven of the candidates looked favorably on the immigration and naturalization of foreigners. They were divided only on the relative importance of certain rights.
The GNP�s Lee Myung-bak and 창조한국당�s Mun Kuk-hyeon both answered as the former CEOs they are by saying, �from the perspective of small and medium businesses that want to import the high-quality labor and specialists they need, I support it.� The two candidates both see a need for the country to bring in foreigners to boost the economy and �improve the birth rate problem.�
Chung Dong-young of 대통합민주신당 and Lee In-jae of 민주당 said they will provide a policy to boost the birth rate. Chung said, �that is already our country�s policy, so we must continue to carry it forward.� Lee said, �we should look positively on bringing in skilled foreigners as a way of dealing with the birth rate problem.�
The three remaining candidates believed a policy is needed to deal with the progress of foreigners. Lee Hoi-chang said that to �prepare a foundational policy for the 1 million foreigners� an government office for them should be established. Kwon Yeong-gil of 민노당 called for �a society free of discrimination against foreigners,� and Shim Dae-pyeong of 국민중심당 for �a policy on foreigners that prepares us for the age of globalization.�
The generally tended to be cautious, on the rights, particularly the political rights, of foreigners, but there were nuanced differences. Two of them took a negative view, as Chung Dong-young said, �there�s no way for foreigners to have political rights� while Mu Kuk-hyeon said, �it�s possible only after a national consensus has formed.� Lee Hoi-chang said, �they should have all constitutional rights other than to vote.�
Lee Myung-bak said, �local organizations should go first,� while Shim Dae-pyeong said, �first comes political party activity, then voting in local elections, then voting in national elections,� as both candidates spoke of rights being phased in.
Lee In-jae said, �naturalized citizens must have the right not to be discriminated against.� Gwon Yeong-gil said that he believes that, for foreigners, even more important than the right to vote is the right to be treated as a native and not discriminated against. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| The two candidates both see a need for the country to bring in foreigners to boost the economy and �improve the birth rate problem.� |
I'm available on weekends and charge a decent rate per load delivered, ladies. |
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waynehead
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Jongno
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Hell I'll contribute for free. |
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aarontendo
Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Always some asshat taking the lowball offer and ruining it for the rest of us. Thanks sir!  |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| �we should look positively on bringing in skilled foreigners as a way of dealing with the birth rate problem.� |
Looks like I've got a new signature! |
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Flash Ipanema
Joined: 29 Sep 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwon Yeong-gil said that he believes that, for foreigners, even more important than the right to vote is the right to be treated as a native and not discriminated against. |
Isn't not allowing foreigners the right to vote discriminatory since they're not being treated like natives? |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| They're really talking about 2 different groups of foreigners: German engineers and Filapina babymakers. Canadian teachers are still expected to be in their homes by 8PM every night. |
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superdave
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: over there ----->
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
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| �we should look positively on bringing in skilled foreigners as a way of dealing with the birth rate problem.� |
Looks like I've got a new signature! |
LOL ... that is one hell of a quote ... if only my signature weren't full of self promoting crap, i might have use for something this humorous! 
double LOL ... i found a way to make it fit! bwahahaha!
lousy 255 character signature limit!  |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Flash Ipanema wrote: |
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| Gwon Yeong-gil said that he believes that, for foreigners, even more important than the right to vote is the right to be treated as a native and not discriminated against. |
Isn't not allowing foreigners the right to vote discriminatory since they're not being treated like natives? |
Foreigners aren't allowed to vote in any country, other that small municipal crap. |
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superdave
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Flash Ipanema wrote: |
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| Gwon Yeong-gil said that he believes that, for foreigners, even more important than the right to vote is the right to be treated as a native and not discriminated against. |
Isn't not allowing foreigners the right to vote discriminatory since they're not being treated like natives? |
Foreigners aren't allowed to vote in any country, other that small municipal crap. |
currently, F5 visa holders are allowed to vote in municipal crap. i think that's fairly progressive. marry a korean, stick around for a few years, have the right to vote on local government affairs.
but you have to admit that this kind of talk is very positive ... if a korean president was very 'foreign friendly' that could result in a lot of changes in our favour ... especially when it comes to legal discrimination.
old men leering at you in the street is bearable ... but when a foreigner gets fired, loses a bunch of money, and is told by a court that there's nothing they can do, it can be very disheartening.
when mediators at the labor board automatically believe everything the korean says, and assumes the foreigner is lying, it can be very disheartening.
these things happen a lot in korea. i know so many people who've been through these problems.
i like what the presidential candidates are saying. give foreigners some power and suddenly the discrimination (legal) stops. |
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Horangi Munshin
Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| I could be wrong but I think permanent residents can vote in New Zealand. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| Poor Gwon Yeonggil could nail an easy million votes with his stance except for the fact that foreigners can't currently vote. Poor guy. |
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excitinghead
Joined: 18 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| "The two candidates both see a need for the country to bring in foreigners to boost the economy and �improve the birth rate problem.� |
I think it's just rhetoric too, but it's the first time I've heard it, and personally I'm very happy to see a politician finally broach the idea. Korea is going to have huge economic problems in the next 10-20 years with it's low birth rate, often the lowest in the OECD, and that will come on top of a crunch in its disproportionately large manufacturing sector at the same time. Unless Korea does something about drastic about both in the next decade, Korea's going to start slipping down the economic league tables quite dramatically.
To most Koreans, Korean women would be a much more palatable choice of workers than immigrants, but Korea is one of the most difficult places in the world to have a child and a career as a woman, which is why the birth rate is so low in the first place. It's not well known, but before '97 Korea had far more salarymen than Japan ever did, and although that's no longer the case the that workplace culture and the accompanying male-breadwinner model of social welfare remain very strong. Hence the Ministries of Social Welfare and Gender Equality are not seen as important and lack personnel and resources, and so not only are there not enough private childcare facilities available, but even the relatively few 300+ employee firms that must provide them for employees by law are not punished for non-compliance. And in the meantime mothers are relucant to send their children to expensive kindergartens that are checked for cleanliness etc. once a year if at all by the government. Reports of owners feeding virtual crap to their preschoolers come up in the Korean media all the time.
So far the government seems to think that cheap financial incentives will compensate for all the above, like the ones advertised on subway stations here in Busan that say the Busan Metropolitan Government will give you a one-off payment of 200,000 won for a third child  Surprisingly, women are not as stupid as politicians and civil servants here seem to think, and so despite the oh so generous offers the birth rate remains at a stubborn 1.2-1.3 or so.
So, bring in foreigners and treat them like equals, or treat women like equals in the workplace...both are well overdue, but will require real changes in mind-set. The former is already happening in the Korean countryside, and like I said I love the fact that a politician has even mentioned the very idea of diluting the great Korean bloodlines, because it shows that at least some people high up are realising how dire things are.
Sorry for the length, and the obvious plug for my blog, but I've been writing about all of those issues ever since I wrote this big post on them back in September (in the link below). It would be nice to hear the opinions of anyone else interested in them.
http://thegrandnarrative.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/manufacturing-childcare-and-salarymen-why-korea-is-a-such-fascinating-place-to-study/ |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: Re: Top Koreans want foreigners to sleep with Koreans? |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
Or should we procreate with only ourselves?
Probably political BS, but......
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The GNP�s Lee Myung-bak and 창조한국당�s Mun Kuk-hyeon both answered as the former CEOs they are by saying, �from the perspective of small and medium businesses that want to import the high-quality labor and specialists they need, I support it.� The two candidates both see a need for the country to bring in foreigners to boost the economy and �improve the birth rate problem.�
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 That was some lousy translations.
The last sentence was rather: "Foreign labor import policy should be pursued apart from plans already laid out to improve our ever-lower domestic birth rate problem." |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| superdave wrote: |
| kermo wrote: |
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| �we should look positively on bringing in skilled foreigners as a way of dealing with the birth rate problem.� |
Looks like I've got a new signature! |
LOL ... that is one hell of a quote ... if only my signature weren't full of self promoting crap, i might have use for something this humorous!
double LOL ... i found a way to make it fit! bwahahaha!
lousy 255 character signature limit! |
Damnit. Should have acted faster.
If I had a car, that could be my bumper sticker. Maybe I should have it printed on a business card? |
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