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mistermasan



Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 Marriage: outlaw it. the gov't has business keeping track of such. no marriage benefits for anyone. equal treatment for all under the law.

2 Abortion: legal and easy to obtain

3 9/11 just like the spanish-american war, the tonkin gulf, pearl harbor...they were in on it.

4 marijuana: outlaw it. this ain't the ditch weed kids used to smoke in the 80's. this is serous dope. purple sticky fuzzy chronic. lotsa times more powerful than it used to be. if people could just get high and still lead productive lives it would be fine BUT...i know just know so many that live just to get the next high. but then, i lived in hawaii and they had some good stuff.

5 global warming: we all gotta die from something. buy real estate in alaska, russia, n. canada.

6 prostitution: legalize it

7 health care: free cynaid pills on request/ euthenasia rooms. a graying, obese welfare state is kinda too late to start this basic right.

8 religion: outlaw it.

9 war on terrorism: see number 3. if were are afraid the military industrial complex wins.

10 whole package but small breasts are more sensitive, she can get away w/ topless in the states and reudced risk of breast cancer (as there is less tissue). you never have to listen to her complain because the jumblies are hurting her back.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: Where do YOU stand on the following issues? Reply with quote

1) gay marriage. what's the point? just do your thing.
2) abortion. it's the woman's right. BUT, take in mind, there are TONS of people who'd love to adopt!
3) don't believe any 9-11 conspiracy.
4) legalize it.
5) yes, global warming is happening.
6) legalized prostitution - do it.
7) heath care - we need it.
8 separate it.
9) war on terrorism - america destroying itself economically.
10) ass-man
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Pluto



Joined: 19 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. I'm against state sanctioned marriage. The churches should be defining marriage. However, the state can sanction civil unions, for both heterosexuals and homosexuals.

2. I was on the fence until I read Steve Levitt's works. Until the link between abortion and the long-term crime rate can be disproved; I'm pro-choice.

3. Tin foil nutters make for pure comedy gold.

4. I've heard some good arguements to legalize it, but nothing to compelling.

5. I'm not very religious, but we should still invest in alternative energies to stem the tide of GW.

6. Works in Nevada.

7. Per haps some form of a social net is necessary, but I lean towards private health plans.

8.
wannago wrote:
Talk about sheeple. The Constitution nowhere says there is a complete separation of church and state. It simply denies the government the ability to set up a state religion. If you truly want a separation, then government should have NO involvement in any aspect of church operations whatsoever. That includes building codes, tax exempt status, etc. Either there is separation or not. Make up your mind.


I agree with Wannago.

9. a. It's necessary. We've made some poor misguided mistakes. So we should definitely rethink our some of our priorities. That said, it's going better than some people say.

b. On Iraq, specifically, I fell that OIF was strategic error in hindsight. However, I feel an even bigger strategic error would be to abandon the Iraqis. We owe them so much, least of all, security.

10. Ass and stomach. Big ass and tight tummies. Though I do like *beep* too. Not the enormously large ones, but the plump sized ones that you can hold in your hand; those are great.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pluto wrote:

8.
wannago wrote:
Talk about sheeple. The Constitution nowhere says there is a complete separation of church and state. It simply denies the government the ability to set up a state religion. If you truly want a separation, then government should have NO involvement in any aspect of church operations whatsoever. That includes building codes, tax exempt status, etc. Either there is separation or not. Make up your mind.


I agree with Wannago.


I don't really care what the American constitution says on this matter, but it seems clear to me that the state, in not taxing the church/mosque etc is extending a preference to those profit-driven organizations over Nike or Microsoft. If you were to tax them, their advertising (converting) budget would decrease. That would be a good thing.

The state should be 100% separated from the imaginary friend. If I were to write the bible, OT, koran today they would be widely rejected as hate-speech. Absolutely in no way should the state have any relationship with this texts. If you want to worship then fine. A free society allows you to do weird things. But you may not influence the state on the grounds of superstitions. It is 2008. We should have woken up to this.

Pluto,

I'm also in favour of abortion, though reluctantly. I'm also a big fan of Freakanomics and other pop-economics. However, there are very serious academic mathematical challenges to Levitt's conclusions about abortion. It seems that a relationship does exist (as we would assume) but not to the extent that he presented in his text. You can see the debate at his blog.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fairly certain that in the US churches are registered as non-profits.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea what they do in the US. The topic is about our opinions on a subject, not our interpretations or understandings of the laws of other countries.

If the question is about the relationship between church/state, then I say there should not be a relationship beyond taxing their revenues at rates in line with other organizations that sell a product, take in revenue and employ people.

But I assume we disagree (me being atheist and you mormon). Fair enough. No need to derail this otherwise interesting thread.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:


4 marijuana: outlaw it. this ain't the ditch weed kids used to smoke in the 80's. this is serous dope. purple sticky fuzzy chronic. lotsa times more powerful than it used to be. if people could just get high and still lead productive lives it would be fine BUT...i know just know so many that live just to get the next high. but then, i lived in hawaii and they had some good stuff.


You see I've never understood this argument.

It's still weed. Yes some strains have a heavier THC content, but this is mainly due to better growing techniques.

It's not like this new weed is dangerous. People still don't die from it and it's not a narcotic....i.e. addicting.

No hangovers from weed too.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pot is a nothing drug. There is no reason for it to be against the law.
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mistermasan



Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no. i lived this. first hand experience. how many generations of college biology students have amped up the chronic? i have known so many folks whose entire life centers around their next high. been there, seen it. tried helping them keep jobs. they can't even handle parking cars. then they get busted for something stupid. in possession. now in the system. parole and frequent drug tests. the man and his prison industrial system own em. they have records now and they can't get jobs as all jobs now run background and credit checks. they are screwed all becaus they love the pakalolo

if we could just go back to 1985 weed, i'd say legalize it in a heartbeat. this ain't bob marley's ganja.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are no addictive properties to weed and in addition it simply isn't toxic enough to cause harm to the body. Your friends who blew their life didn't do it because of weed, weed was just their weapon of choice. How many drunks do you know? Booze is the really big culprit in destroying lives and we all know how prohibition turned out.

Also, the increased strength of pot doesn't mean you get higher, it means you smoke less to get equally high. Which is actually good for the body, cause to the extent that weed is toxic, less is better. Right?
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistarmasan you have no idea what you are taking about, stop reading the anti-drug website, that will give you holes in your brain.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
no. i lived this. first hand experience. how many generations of college biology students have amped up the chronic? i have known so many folks whose entire life centers around their next high. been there, seen it. tried helping them keep jobs. they can't even handle parking cars. then they get busted for something stupid. in possession. now in the system. parole and frequent drug tests. the man and his prison industrial system own em. they have records now and they can't get jobs as all jobs now run background and credit checks. they are screwed all becaus they love the pakalolo

if we could just go back to 1985 weed, i'd say legalize it in a heartbeat. this ain't bob marley's ganja.



You're liking your own personal limited experiences to an epidemic Rolling Eyes

I guarntee you these same friends would still be where they are without pot. They would just use some other substances.

George Soros is a major pot head and he's a billionaire.

Francis Crick, the man credited with discovering the DNA double helix was also a fan of the herb.
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Funkdafied



Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(1) Gay Marriage: For it


(2) Abortion: For it, but only first trimester, and it should be hard to get a second one, I dont want it used as a form of birth control

(3) 9/11 Conspiracy: Absurd


(4) Legalizing Marijuana: This is vital, it will save millions and pot hurts no one.

(5) Global Warming: Real, we should be focussing on alternative energy


(6) Legalizing Prostitution: Good idea


(7) Health Care: Public universal and free


(8 ) Church & State: Absolutely seperate


(9) War on Terrorism: Real, valid, but being pursued the wrong way


(10) Ass-man or Breast-man: ass, I like everything pettitte and perky
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Funkdafied



Joined: 04 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
no. i lived this. first hand experience. how many generations of college biology students have amped up the chronic? i have known so many folks whose entire life centers around their next high. been there, seen it. tried helping them keep jobs. they can't even handle parking cars. then they get busted for something stupid. in possession. now in the system. parole and frequent drug tests. the man and his prison industrial system own em. they have records now and they can't get jobs as all jobs now run background and credit checks. they are screwed all becaus they love the pakalolo

if we could just go back to 1985 weed, i'd say legalize it in a heartbeat. this ain't bob marley's ganja.

The only serious problems for your freinds come directly from the fact that pot is illegal, cant you see that?

Pot is harmless and not a gateway drug. Anything can be abused though, but you have to really work at smoking a hell of a lot of pot for it to start ruining your life.
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Octavius Hite



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Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard Branson, JR Tolkien, George Washington, every rock musician and even Bill Clinton are or were tokers.
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