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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: Richardson On Iran NIE - Bush/Cheney : Dumbasses or Liars? |
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Or some combination, all of the above ... lying dumbasses or dumbass liars. Which is what I said long ago about the whole WMD fiasco. And countless other things ...
Seems the White House was shown the National Intelligence Estimate about Iran months ago, the one that tells us plainly that Tehran shelved their nuke weapons program 4 years ago, while Dubya and Cheney have been talkin' loud about Iran and WW3 as recently as a couple of weeks ago.
Bill Ricardson wants George's job. I'm not going to vote for him, but I will give him points for style. It's from his campaign blog
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"This NIE tells us one of two things. Either the Bush-Cheney administration has been willfully misleading the American public on Iran's nuclear weapons capabilities or they are incompetent and were not aware of the consensus view of sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies until yesterday."
On October 17th, President Bush said: "If you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them (Iran) from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
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These mama farkers in the Oval Orofice had to know this steaming pile was gonna hit the aircon at some point and ... they just don't care. That's what continues to amaze after all this time. They want a war, we let them have one, then they want another war, so they tell some lies and later say they made a mistake, and now they want one more after that - and lie after lie after lie and they never even notice that people are getting wise to them.
Well, the good news is they are gonna have one real hard time convincing anyone Iran needs even one little bomb at this point. And good news is a wonderful thing sometimes.
Edit - Yeah, I know it's always funny when someone calls someone a dumbass and then spells it wrong. The poll options seem immune to editing, or allowing a preview ... Hey, I was fixing a late supper at the same time, okay?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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The US has a good case against Iran . That doesn't mean the US out to bomb but the US does have a legitimate case. The US would be justified to go after Iran based on what Iran has done up to now.
But just cause something is justified doesn't mean it is smart.
Iran is a country that could change alot when its supreme leader changes and for that reason and that reason alone the US ought not bomb Iran.
That being said Iran's nuclear program gives them the knowlege to make bombs which serves Iran's purposes fairly well at this time.
In view of this the US ought to be investing in a kind of insurance policy to make sure it doesn't have any problems with Iran. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Why should I have an explanation for a silly Canadian? Anyway--let's see---1998 Pakistan and India don't have nukes-----WRONG ( that was during the Clinton's term)----2002 WMDs in Iraq------ WRONG ( although almost every intelligence service in the world thought he did and this was cconfirmed by Saddam's son in laws who defected ,were debriefed then went home only to be shot by that gentleman)-- 2007--Iran dropped it's weapon progam in 2004-----??????? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| Why should I have an explanation for a silly Canadian? Anyway--let's see---1998 Pakistan and India don't have nukes-----WRONG ( that was during the *beep*'S term)----2002 WMDs in Iraq------ WRONG ( although almost every intelligence service in the world thought he did and this was cconfirmed by Saddam's son in laws who defected ,were debriefed then went home only to be shot by that gentleman-- 2007--Iran dropped it's weapon progam in 2004-----??????? |
Actually intelligence was aware that both Pakistan and India had nuclear programs. What intelligence got wrong was it didn't think India or Pakistan would actually go that last step.
And are you sure about Saddam's son-in-laws? I don't think they said anything about WMD, just plenty of other info about his regime.
And no one who has posted on this thread so far is Canadian. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Richardson On Iran NIE - Bush/Cheney : Dumbasses or Liar |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| ... lying dumbasses or dumbass liars... |
I think they are the latter, as they are stupid enough to be caught lying.
History will not be kind to Bush-Cheney. But then again, they and Nixon will be highlights of American presidental politics in textbooks produced for right wingers with the death of a common public education as that country becomes more and more fragmented and divided, united only superficially.
Or so it seems some days. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Richardson On Iran NIE - Bush/Cheney : Dumbasses or Liar |
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the death of a common public education as that country becomes more and more fragmented and divided, united only superficially.
Or so it seems some days. |
I truly am glad you said that.
Everyday I gain more and more hope for America. Its going to rise out of the ashes: in 10 years there will not be a country in the world that balances liberty, prosperity, environmental principles, and public welfare quite as well as America will.
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger -- I see no reason why this would not apply to nations and peoples as well as individuals. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with Kuros. The right wing has shot its wad (1968-2008) and the pendulum will swing more progressive now. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| These mama farkers in the Oval Orofice had to know this steaming pile was gonna hit the aircon at some point and ... they just don't care. That's what continues to amaze after all this time. They want a war, we let them have one, then they want another war, so they tell some lies and later say they made a mistake, and now they want one more after that - and lie after lie after lie and they never even notice that people are getting wise to them. |
Bobster,
A couple of interesting wrinkles:
Jim Lobe, a columnist with the IPS, offered the following observation:
"The fact that the main conclusions of the report were known in top policy circles since at least last summer, if not well before then, helps explain why the administration’s hawks (and their neo-con allies) started hyping Iran’s alleged direction of attacks on U.S. soldiers and marines in Iraq in August. It was clear by then that the nuclear pretext for war would suffer a serious setback whenever the NIE would be published, so that a new pretext needed to be pressed hard."
Beginning last August, according to The Washington Post's Dan Froomkin, the President "stopped making explicit assertions about the existence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program... and started more vaguely accusing them of seeking 'the knowledge necessary to make such a weapon.' They knew what was coming."
The LA Times's Greg Miller reports the release of the NIE "was delayed at least three times", according to Congressional officials. The New Yorker's Seymour Hersh claims Cheney kept his foot on the neck of the report: "The intelligence we learned about yesterday has been circulating inside this government at the highest levels for the last year -- and probably longer." |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| I agree with Kuros. The right wing has shot its wad (1968-2008) and the pendulum will swing more progressive now. |
Personally I wouldn't go that far. I think it will swing back to the center, but I doubt it will go much further beyond that.
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| Everyday I gain more and more hope for America. Its going to rise out of the ashes: in 10 years there will not be a country in the world that balances liberty, prosperity, environmental principles, and public welfare quite as well as America will. |
Just curious, what gives you that hope? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| I agree with Kuros. The right wing has shot its wad (1968-2008) and the pendulum will swing more progressive now. |
Personally I wouldn't go that far. I think it will swing back to the center, but I doubt it will go much further beyond that.
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| Everyday I gain more and more hope for America. Its going to rise out of the ashes: in 10 years there will not be a country in the world that balances liberty, prosperity, environmental principles, and public welfare quite as well as America will. |
Just curious, what gives you that hope? |
The New Left is largely market-friendly and pragmatic (except for Edwards, whose candidacy is doomed). This will not be like the 60s: we are going to see something distinct and new in American politics. The New Left inherits the mantle of fiscal responsibility of Bill Clinton and the judicious and pragmatic foreign policy of Eisenhower. We are about to see something truly new and remarkable. Some people are so disgusted with Brand America that they cannot conceive such a result. This is itself a factor: America has a new challenge in rising to the world's expectations, even if that challenge is ultimately grappling with herself.
2009 will be a turning point. |
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