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[cbclark4]

All that needs doing is a bill to repeal the second amendment.

A two thirds majority of both houses, and then a ratification by
the legislatures of three fourths of the states. (article V)

No problem, accomplish this, then take the guns.

Any other form of legislation limiting gun ownership will require
judicial review.

Maybe someone could name 13 states that would not ratify this amendment?

How would your amendment read?

Here's a few:

"The second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States
is hereby repealed...."

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall be regulated by the
several states and congress or by the oversight of the department of the
treasury.

...the power to raise and regulate Militias and the control of the
possession and ownership of arms is hereby granted to the congress.

The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or Possession
of the United States for delivery or use therein of fire arms, in violation of
the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited. (Gives states a right to regulate)

[spliff]

Guns don't kill, people do...shall we get rid of them?

[sundubuman]

In Nebraska, it's legal to carry a gun with a permit. However, the Mall's policy was that guns were not allowed. If a customer had been carrying a gun, maybe less people would have died.

Frankly, I'd rather be in a room with a bunch of level-headed gun owners who were all carrying than in a room with a bunch of unhinged crazies with knives.

And look at what happened in Paris recently, rioters shooting at police!!!!

Their gun laws certainly are working...

[lastat06513]

cbclark4....

I was not quoting the Bill of Rights word-for-word, I was just giving an interpretation that I read from it and others have read from it also.
And the supreme court was acting on behalf of the special interest groups and the voice of people from individual gun owners, gun store owners, gun manufacturers to congressmen, NRA lobbyists and even some presidents at the time.

But when events like this, the V-tech tragedy, the shooting in an Amish school, Columbine, etc...

Why is it that the US seems to be one of only a handful of places that deals with massacres such as this?
Why don't you hear about them as often in places like Canada, Britain, Ireland or any other country?
Why is it only the US? I am saying this because almost every few months when I turn on the news, that is what I see; some news about a shooting that could've been prevented if the government took specific steps to restrict gun ownership.......
How can you say the US is such a great place with things like this happening every few months?

Please explain?
The US constantly contradicts itself by asking other countries to act a certain why while not applying the same rules to themselves....

[Tiger Beer]

I really think its the culture. Guns in movies are highly glamorized. Even in music now too. It's particularly romantic image to have young people in either movies or music with guns and kind of Lone Ranger-ish, etc.

Video Game culture strongly reinforces this gun culture as well. Most toys involve guns. American TV is loaded with guns.

A law making it a little harder to get guns, aren't going to take guns out of the culture.

[thepeel]

Both this dude in Neb and Cho at VT were at one time in the mental health system or wards of the state. Perhaps these shootings aren't a failure of "gun control" (which means effectively granting a monopoly on guns to criminals) or American gun culture but a failure of a mental health system that is organized and run by large special interests like the pharmaceutical industry.

See "Selling the DSM" for examples of how the whole system has been hijacked.

[lastat06513]

I agree and disagree at the same time on that issue....

I agree because the mental healthcare system in the US is nothing more than a "band-aid" solution to a person's problem. Most of the time, if someone is mentally ill, all they will do is put them in a mental health center for a certain period of time for various forms of councelling and then prescribe some kind of medicine in the hopes that they will get better.

This issue is also a part of the larger problem with the healthcare system as a whole in the US, which I see is deteriorating at a very fast rate (unless you have the money, you won't get the care you deserve).

And I disagree because both young men had failed to admit to the larger problems they had growing up while they were both hospitalized. Unlike physical ailments, a mental illness is something that is not easily identifiable- a person can cover it up for as long as they are capable of trying to lead a normal life. The sad and often scary part about covering it up is that when the issue boils over, it can cause the person to act out on them, sometimes violently and sometimes when it is too late, as when the shootings happen.

I think in the US and global society as a whole breeds there is a tradition where men are not allowed to express their feelings and tends to tell men that it is better to keep their feelings and emotions to themselves and there is a HUGE stigma that mental hospitalization is wrong and the person entering such facilities are considered crazy- if you don't believe me, think about your reaction the first time you met a person after they got out of a mental hospital.

I have to admit, gun control alone won't solve the problem (and yeah, it would only put and keep the guns in the hands of the criminals- as you see in Brazil). I feel there are many issues at stake because of this and many of the other shootings that occur.

[dogshed]

[sojourner1]

There are deep underlying social problems causing these public shootings that have become quite common in America. It's not the guns, it's social problems such as with depression, low self esteem, and extreme frustration over jobs and personal finances. These individuals often are the ones squeezed out of having a place in society such as job loss and go to extremes in venting their frustrations. Not everyone goes on a shooting rampage when they are jobless, penniless, and facing grim prospects of having a livelihood; just a few do. Millions of people are dis empowered or unemployable, but only a very few vent out and do serious damage like this.

[wangjabyeong]

the right to bear arms is getting a bit outdated. maybe when the bill of rights was originally constructed, there was a need for guns used for personal safety, but in todays society, there really is no need for guns. similarly, someone said that if it was not guns that were used, then knives would be used instead. i genuinely think it is much easier to protect oneself and disarm someone with a knife rather than a gun. its a shame people might not care too much about the issue, but in all seriousness, these situations could easily happen to you or someone close to you. im from australia, and im not saying that australian society is so much better and safer than american society, but we have strict gun laws, and ordinary people just dont carry guns around with them here, and especially dont go round shooting random people. however, because of all of these shootings happening in america, im very afriad that it will start occuring here as well.

just get rid of the guns....

[wangjabyeong]

just had to add that i now think that getting rid of the guns will not help the situation. America has for too long upheld such a strong gun culture within society, which is probably too difficult to get rid of through a change of law. it is definitely a serious issue, but basically, america... you are stuffed cos these things will undoubtedly continue to happen in the future.

[cbclark4]

[sojourner1]

Not only is it a constitutional right to bear arms, people do want and need guns for hunting and sport shooting. There is no way America will have gun control like Korea has as there are millions of guns in circulation and millions are stored in peoples homes. It's not like Korea where gun control is effective as Korea never allowed citizens to have guns other than for police and military service as well as at firing ranges though you can own a gun and keep it at a police station. I think what keeps crime fairly low in Korea is that they started gun control since the war was over. I believe school and other public shootings would be a huge problem if they had easy access to guns. Korea has huge potential for crime, but it's isolation and fort Knox kind of setting subdues and prevents crime before it happens.

Here's an interesting blog on guns in Korea, I found when googling.

http://www.travelblog.org/Asia/South-Korea/Bundang/blog-125027.html

Funny thing. I asked my students what they wanted for Christmas and the strange unhappy boy said he wants a gun and drew a picture of what looked like an AK-47. I told him he could get a real looking toy gun, but that real guns are not allowed unless he joins the police or the army.

[lastat06513]

The u.s. constitution has been interpreted in a hundred different ways for over two hundred years and the way it is interpreted now is not the way it was interpret before and will not be the same in its interpretation in the future.

It is wrong to say that banning guns is almost as impossible as banning the use of the automobile. Guns can be banned in all form if the there is enough support for such legislation, without the need to change the Bill of Rights, in which the 2nd amendment has been interpreted by many in acadamia as being the right to own guns while being a part of a well-organized, well-regulated militia. It is the gun lobbyists like the scummy fascists in the NRA that keep guns in circulation.

One of the steps the Connecticut state legislature is working on right now is judicial reform with one provision that will make any crime committed within the state of CT with a gun punishable by life imprisonment and in many cities in CT, the police is publicly announcing their planned gun buy-back program where people could turn in their guns with no questions asked.

I think that people are just getting fed up completely with all these high-profile gun crimes being committed and are getting pissed because the government is dragging its feet in doing something about it........sad.......

[igotthisguitar]

NEWSFLASH !!!

Surprise, surprise. Guess who was on "meds"?

http://infowars.net/articles/december2007/061207Shooter.htm


The elites would love to have guns outlawed.

Would make the implementation of certain other diabolical "policies" a whole lot easier