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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Israel is like 7 million people and Iran 64 million. You think Israel will invade? Camon. I'm not in agreement with much of what Israel does but they aren't going to invade.
They might bomb and sabotage, however. Though I reckon that bombing is off the table for now. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I suspect somethign went on the intel community where as as a result of disagreeement with POTUS policies they sought to shoot him down with that report. |
As I previously stated, it sure did. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Iran has a nuclear program.
That is true.
The knowlege helps them gain expertise that could be used many ways. Including making nuclear bombs. That suits Iran's purposes for now.
North Korea started its nuclear program as a civilian program.
Anyway the US ought to invest in an insurance policy. |
Joo, many nations have nuclear programs. Iran is near fully in line with IAEA regulations at this point. The NIE puts this topic to rest for the time being. You can chill now.
This insurance policy. Would it be in addition to the trillion or so spent on empire every year? Or do you mean more money into guns/bombs/bases/satellites and others? |
US isn't an empire.
No reason to trust Iran , Iran isn't just another nation. Musharif has no revolutionary agenda . Ali Khamani might.
Better safe than sorry.
Insurance below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWJw8Wn3jpk |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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mcgeezer:
How many times have I told you to put down those bottles? It's starting to impair your reasoning skill.
Israel doesn't need to invade Iran, nor would it attempt to. It has something called fighter bombers which can make coordinated attacks and receive assistance from U.S. Naval Intelligence in the Gulf.
uptheriver boy:
C'mon, you expect us to buy that load of crap? Of course you're anti-American and histrionic to boot.
And all you Leftists posting here who think that this news means we should now trust the Iranian theocracy and back off our demands for transparency are either wishfully thinking yet again or trying to blow smoke up our buttocks.
The Iranian President has said that Israel should not exist and none of his enablers in the theocracy have toned down, challenged, or dismiss that claim.
And for the record, the Israeli Defense Forces have publicly called into question the conclusions of that study. Moreover, we don't have intelligence on the ground about secret efforts to gain nuclear weapons capability, which is why most of the European Union and many in the UN are calling for greater transparency from Tehran. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| And if they don't, why all the centerfuges? Do you think they are using them to make icecream? If they did drop thier weapons program it is because the Isrealis convinced them that it would not be good for that country if Tehran was turned into a glow in the dark parking lot. And if you don't think that the Jews could and would do that, you better lay off the crack pipe. |
No buddy, Iran's oil is quickly drying up and they will eventually need new, cleaner sources of energy...Tehran is one of the most polluted cities in the world. That;s why they have the centerfuges.
I am in strong disagreement with Zionist Israeli policies (oh no, here come the Nazi, and anti-semetic accusations )...
Israel is a threat to Iran, and if they choose to invade Iran, on whatever grounds, it will be Israel which will be a "glow in the dark pakring lot"....
why do so many posters here beleive wars are problem solvers?
You guys are intellectual backwaters! Grow up! |
WRONG!
Have you ever compared even the rhetoric coming out of Israel vis a vis Iran? Israel has got a right to exist and they've got a right to protect themselves.
Of course, we should be talking to Iran, but what is the point of having a military if you aren't going to leverage it? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: |
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You guys are intellectual backwaters! Grow up! |
Meaning you are therefore in a whole other intellectual galaxy?
Anyhoo, I have no idea why Israel would invade Iran but given the fact that Israel has ____ nukes vs. Iran's zero nukes, I'd say the odds of Israel becoming a glowing parking lot are minimal.
And if you mean if Israel were to attack AFTER Iran got nukes, I'd still say odds were in Israel's favor since Israel has built up a significant arsenal while it would take quite awhile for Iran to build up its "stash". |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Mcwingnut
It's this simple. The agenda that the US has been undertaking is alienating it from the rest of the world. I said before, I am sickened by the Neo Con agenda, of war profiteering and outrageoulsy expensive oil.
As far as the overblown statements about Isreal being wiped off the map, He said it should go the way of the Soviet Union. I don't see anyone crying about a terrible loss there.
My whole point is why not eat a little humble pie. The way you guys defend everything your guy does whether its right or wrong is just silly. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Why no posts on Iran? (Neo CONNED's) |
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Ok.
I don't adhere to left or right wing philosopies, but I do admit that the present Neo Con agenda and rhetoric sicken me beyond belief.
In light of the latest news on Iran and thier lack of a nuclear programme, where are all the Bush apologists on this board. Are you guys that sad and pathetic, that you can't openly admit you were once again conned into believing everything the Bush administration has told you?
Come one guys man up. With all the tough talk. Why not show a litlle humility like the evil dicatator Hugo Chavez did when he lost the latest referrendum? |
Get back under your bridge, there's a good troll now... |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: Suwon
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ... turned into a glow in the dark parking lot. And if you don't think that the Jews could and would do that, you better lay off the crack pipe. |
Isn't that the whole problem right there? They would do it, you know it, I know it and Tehran knows it.
In fact, propaganda aside, isn't that the most likely reason for Iran
a) wanting a nuclear deterrent, if indeed they do want weapons, and
b) wanting a regime change in the extremely belligerent turd of a nation next door?
Of course, we love those Israelis, after all they have suffered so terribly, the poor dears, that we can forgive their ethnic cleansing operations and itchy nuclear trigger finger...
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I must admit that if we trust our intelligence, the same intelligence that said that there were not WMDs in Iraq, we must agree that there is not a nuclear weapons program in Iran. |
The 2002 NIE said Iraq had vast WMDs and was seeking nuclear weapons. the 2002 NIE did not say iraq was WMD-free |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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It's this simple. The agenda that the US has been undertaking is alienating it from the rest of the world. I said before, I am sickened by the Neo Con agenda, of war profiteering and outrageoulsy expensive oil.
As far as the overblown statements about Isreal being wiped off the map, He said it should go the way of the Soviet Union. I don't see anyone crying about a terrible loss there. My whole point is why not eat a little humble pie. The way you guys defend everything your guy does whether its right or wrong is just silly. |
So are the Western European governments that support our insistence on transparency from Tehran also grubbing for oil and war profiteering? Really, riverboy, even Huck Finn would know better that to say something that preposterous.
As for your tone toward Israel, how very anti-Semitic of you.
Let me let you in on a forum secret: I've never identified myself as a neo-con or stalwart of the Bush policy. Neither am I a leftwing fruitcake. |
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| No European nation is as aggressive towards Iran as the US has been. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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[quote]As for your tone toward Israel, how very anti-Semitic of you.
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Of course let's pull the Anti Semitic card. That's the point of the thread. Maybe I am trolling, but this forum members are so quick to criticize the left, and Islam by calling for allout war and destruction when they fart.
While I agree, there are fuitcakes in Iran I don't perceive them as a threat to western democracy. I think that the west, and yes, Canada is guilty as wll, but we are not the most powerful country in the world. Canadas actions do not effect the world the way that America's do.
The real point of this thread is, maybe, just maybe.... is there a mass paranoia going on with America and. maybe countries like Iran and even Venezuela don't pose anywhere near the threat that the media has led us to believe.
I was even hoodwinked about Chavez attempting to make himself "Dictator" for life, when he was simply trying to ratify his countries constitution so that he could get re-elected. Yes re-elected much in the same way as Dictatorships like Canada and Britain with their Prime Ministers serving three and four terms.
A little secret to you Mcloonie, I have never identified myself as leftwing. You, on the other hand are so obsessed with the comdemnation of anything that is not rightwing, you come up smelling like a Neo-Con. Well is it looks like a Hawk..... |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| While I agree, there are fuitcakes in Iran I don't perceive them as a threat to western democracy. |
So I see you're both a tool and a troll. Either that or you're extremely naive--or perhaps yet another clueless Leftist. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| Of course, we love those Israelis, after all they have suffered so terribly, the poor dears, that we can forgive their ethnic cleansing operations and itchy nuclear trigger finger... |
I only know of one country that has used nukes/atomics so far, and it wasn't Israel. Hell, the second one dropped was just to see what would happen. I do not think that it is at all fair to criticize Israel in the way you did. They have been quite reserved given the disparity of power in the region.
That said, I don't agree with much (or even follow) of what Israel does. But it is a sovereign state and has the right to defend itself. This does include preemption in very, very few circumstances. I don't believe the Iran situation is one such circumstance.
By the way, what other ethnic cleansing in that region bothers you? |
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