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bassexpander
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 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: Aussie jailed for posting about shooting in the USA |
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You are certainly not anonymous on the net these days;:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316241,00.html
It's a few paragraphs down in the above link.
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On Friday, an Australian man was arrested after he allegedly posted a message saying a shooting attack would take place at The Grove mall near Beverly Hills.
Jarrad Willis, 20, of Melbourne, was arrested after Los Angeles Police Department detectives traced to Australia the address of his Internet provider. Willis has been charged in Australia with creating a false belief � a violation of Australian law.
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happeningthang
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| Wow. Stupid behaviour, but really, are people taking the internet seriously now? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| Wow. Stupid behaviour, but really, are people taking the internet seriously now? |
THINK ...
What are "nets" mostly used for?
What does a spider do with its "web"?
Meanwhile, legislation which serves to actively criminalize " ... creating a false belief ... "
can only invite a whole world of fun possibilities.
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| As Frank Zappa once asked the musical question, "Who are the brain police?" |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| As Frank Zappa once asked the musical question, "Who are the brain police?" |
Umm, weren't this guy's actions basically the equivalent of calling in a bomb threat? As far as I know, that can get you arrested in most countries. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| As Frank Zappa once asked the musical question, "Who are the brain police?" |
Umm, weren't this guy's actions basically the equivalent of calling in a bomb threat? As far as I know, that can get you arrested in most countries. |
I am not sure what the law is but this does not appear to be a credible threat. The guy was in Australia! And he didn't get arrested from threatening but for "creating a false belief." Who knows? Maybe he was warning people to save them. If he or someone wanted people dead, why would they warn? He could be some psych patient with a paranoid delusion.
Australian magicians, watch out! |
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On the other hand
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No, it seems to have been an actual threat that he posted.
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Huerta is suspected of posting a message that he would shoot and kill as many people as possible on campus before being killed himself by police, authorities said. The anonymous threat appeared on a blog called Juicycampus.com, used primarily by college students.
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| If he or someone wanted people dead, why would they warn? |
Sure, and by the same reasoning, no one who is actually planning to blow up an airplane would announce their intentions while going through security. But if you DID do that, you could probably expect to get arrested for something. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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No, it seems to have been an actual threat that he posted.
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Huerta is suspected of posting a message that he would shoot and kill as many people as possible on campus before being killed himself by police, authorities said. The anonymous threat appeared on a blog called Juicycampus.com, used primarily by college students.
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No, you didn't read the entire article. That was a completely separate case with Jarrad Willis, an entire ocean and hemisphere away, not Huerta. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Ah, I see. Thanks.
But still. If I called up a newspaper and said "I'm calling to warn you that a bomb will go off at 7:00 PM at Whatever Building In Wherevertown", I would think that that would incur some legal penalties toward me. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| Wow. Stupid behaviour, but really, are people taking the internet seriously now? |
If you give your credit card number along with a request for merchandise to any number of compaines over the internet, the companies will consider that the intitiation of a legally binding business transaction. So I would say that the internet has been taken quite seriously for some time now. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| Wow. Stupid behaviour, but really, are people taking the internet seriously now? |
If you give your credit card number along with a request for merchandise to any number of compaines over the internet, the companies will consider that the intitiation of a legally binding business transaction. So I would say that the internet has been taken quite seriously for some time now. |
Well, I guess you do!
But I was still under the impression that the internet was a place where anyone, could make any outrageous claim they wanted, and healthy scepticism was best employed.
After 9/11 there was some gay urban rumor floating around to the effect a local shopping centre was going to be attacked. Everyone I knew who heard it dismissed it for what it was. But put it on the internet and you get arrested? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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But I was still under the impression that the internet was a place where anyone, could make any outrageous claim they wanted, and healthy scepticism was best employed. ...Everyone I knew who heard it dismissed it for what it was. But put it on the internet and you get arrested?
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I see no reason people shouldn't be held accountable for slander or threats, no matter where they say it. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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I see no reason people shouldn't be held accountable for slander or threats
... no matter where they "say it". |
While from a primarily textual perspective, repeated so-called key-struck "threats" are often quite undeniable, "slander" is an all too deceptively slippery & subtle beast.
Ego's fear of being attacked or accused of slander, promoting e.g. a "false belief", labelled in some pejorative manner or what have you effectively serves to stifle conscience & reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Crimes
Where someone clearly has overstepped the line of civility, moral reflection & apologies are always helpful  |
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