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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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I haven't heard this before, but I hope to hear more about it.
I hope the Canadian gov't will get off their sorry arses and at least make an attempt at doing something about this. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. I just wonder how serious Immigration is going to be about cracking down on those teaching on tourist visas- not for one month, but for six months at a time. If they are serious, then this will happen- the pool of teachers for the rotten hogwans will dry up. If not, then being an honest teacher will be even more of a hassle and being an illegal teacher will be that much more of a bonanza/windfall. |
Indeed, if they were serious about improving the quality of the teacher pool they would cut out the 6 month tourist visas for citizens of - ahem - a certain country. Instead, it will probably have the opposite effect - driving off teachers with degrees, attracting people without degrees, and motivating Canadian degree holders to just work illegally. Smart. |
It has nothing to do with being smart or the lack thereof.
It is a reciprocal agreement between Canada and Korea. Korean tourists also get six months if they go to Canada. If Korea were to change that, Canada would probably respond in kind. So cutting off the six month visa would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. And if someone's determined to work here and do it illegally...it's not going to stop him. Somehow I doubt that ALL the illegal teachers here are Canadians working on tourist visas. |
The reciprocal agreement promotes Canadian sex crime in Korea and Korean sex crime in Canada. This special reciprocal sex tourist visa should be called the 69 Visa in both countries. |
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yoyoyo
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
Location: Seoul
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| i hope embassies to put their weight on korean immigration. korea is really screwing intself by making it even harder and creating more red tape in order to get a teaching visa here. there's already a distinct shortage of teachers, a situation which is surely going to be exacerbated. the only ray of light is the supply-demand equillibrium. here's hoping more money is coming my way! |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| RJjr wrote: |
| The reciprocal agreement promotes Canadian sex crime in Korea and Korean sex crime in Canada. |
Oh yeah... I remember all of those advertisements they had back then about it. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| yoyoyo wrote: |
| i hope embassies to put their weight on korean immigration. korea is really screwing intself by making it even harder and creating more red tape in order to get a teaching visa here. there's already a distinct shortage of teachers, a situation which is surely going to be exacerbated. the only ray of light is the supply-demand equillibrium. here's hoping more money is coming my way! |
Do you not think that it's possibly the easiest job in the world to land. Why shouldn't the Korean's add a bit of red tape to weed a few of the undesirables out. I think the last sentence in your post sums you up. |
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prairieboy
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Location: The batcave.
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Ⅲ. Minimizing the Impact of the New E2 Visa System
Applicants who currently have verified qualifications will experience a faster and easier processing of their visa in the future.
- it is possible that applicants can submit an application from a third party country Korean consulate/ embassy and even forgo the interview process
- teacher in possession of an E2 visa (E1,E3) now or in the past will no longer need to submit documents for verification
To compensate for the deficit of human resources in Korea due to the new regulations, the existing qualified foreigners will be given more flexibility within the system.
- Korean immigration laws will become more flexible by allowing more than one workplace and type of work (immigration law 20, 21).
Reduce the inconvenience of having to return to their home country to receive a new E2 visa.
- To avoid the inconvenience of having to return to an applicant�s home country to receive an apostille for a criminal background check, a criminal check issued by the applicant�s embassy/ consulate in Korea will be accepted.
- Instead of receiving an apostille for an applicant�s degree, a document of verification from the Korean University Education Union/ Community will be accepted. |
What exactly does this mean? That not only anyone who presently holds an E-2 but those who held and E-2 in the past will not have to submit documents for verification? Would those people who left and want to return experience an easier visa application process and approval?
Any thoughts? |
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yoyoyo
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| getting a brand new set of transcripts each year when they could easily log that you have sent them in already is what i was talking about. i don't know about other countries, but in the uk it takes months to get a police check. officially it takes 6 weeks but i'm still waiting over 2 months since i applied. please don't assume you know me just by reading one sentence. most of the teachers are here for the money. hagwons are not about education, they are about money also. i came here because the money was good, but that was only one of many reasons. don't judge me, you don't know me. |
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Dome Vans
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| Nothing has been settled yet. It's election time. Things can change. Waiting and seeing and not over-reacting is the order of the day. I don't profess to know you, I can only see from what you write. Working here only for the money is something I find a little mercenary but it's each to their own. |
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Aussiekimchi
Joined: 21 Apr 2006
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EPIK received an email from the Korean Embassy in Canada, which said that E2 visa applicants in Canada must have a "vulnerable sector search" included in their criminal background checks.
The "Vulnerable sector search" is to find out if the applicant is suitable to work with children under 18.
Not sure if other Embassies will follow suit yet. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| yoyoyo wrote: |
| i hope embassies to put their weight on korean immigration. korea is really screwing intself by making it even harder and creating more red tape in order to get a teaching visa here. there's already a distinct shortage of teachers, a situation which is surely going to be exacerbated. the only ray of light is the supply-demand equillibrium. here's hoping more money is coming my way! |
Do you not think that it's possibly the easiest job in the world to land. Why shouldn't the Korean's add a bit of red tape to weed a few of the undesirables out. I think the last sentence in your post sums you up. |
Fine, I agree that they do need to tighten things up a bit, but what they've done so far is going to do more harm than good.
If they make it too difficult to get a legitimate visa, more people (especially hagwan owners) will be tempted to go the illegal route. So in the end, they will end up having more untrained illegals and turning away legitimate teachers because they didn't get the right "apostille thingy" or because the police check wasn't a national one, or because the medical test wasn't according to their regulations, or because the transcripts are 1 day over 3 months old, or because ....etc. |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| If these new regulation are what i will actually have to go through to teach here, I'll leave, as much as i'd like to stay and keep working a job that i love. 2.whatever million won a month is not worth all that hassle. Dangit! Why did I have to buy such nice stuff this year? |
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Hank the Iconoclast
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| i hope embassies to put their weight on korean immigration. korea is really screwing intself by making it even harder and creating more red tape in order to get a teaching visa here. there's already a distinct shortage of teachers, a situation which is surely going to be exacerbated. the only ray of light is the supply-demand equillibrium. here's hoping more money is coming my way! |
Do you not think that it's possibly the easiest job in the world to land. Why shouldn't the Korean's add a bit of red tape to weed a few of the undesirables out. I think the last sentence in your post sums you up. |
This so called easy job requires a life changing decision to make and to move to a place thousands of miles away from home. I would not call this the easiest job to land and it takes a special kind of person to want to do this kind of work. It's a job for those who have the wanderlust and want to experience other cultures. Korea was attractive because it seems like a soft place to land to get into ESL and that is no longer the case.
That is why people will go on to bigger and better things and perhaps start working in their home countries where they aren't constantly seen as criminals. I can teach English in the US and I would never get the feeling that I am constantly on a pedastal being examined and scrutinized about whether I have AIDS or not. Seriously. |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| If these new regulation are what i will actually have to go through to teach here, I'll leave, as much as i'd like to stay and keep working a job that i love. 2.whatever million won a month is not worth all that hassle. Dangit! Why did I have to buy such nice stuff this year? |
same here. i doubt i'll be able to sell off all the furniture and stuff i've collected over here...i'll probably just give it away  |
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Al Khidr
Joined: 27 Nov 2007
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For those of you who think Korea is so concerned about protecting its citizens and so is firming up immigration, think this over the next time you're at Seoul immigration or at customs behind some Russian guy with four or five leggy blondes coming in on "entertainment visas." Even though South Korea was taken off the U.S. list of major conduits for sex trafficking, this was done because of diplomatic pressure from South Korea. Hmm, do those girls all undergo health checks and fingerprinting? Yeah, they aren't teachers, but they sure aren't professional entertainers either.
On another note, in the Chung-an Daily there was a Korean columnist complaining about Japanese customs now requiring fingerprints and photos of all incoming foreigners. Oh what a wonderful friendly world we live in since globalization! |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Al Khidr wrote: |
For those of you who think Korea is so concerned about protecting its citizens and so is firming up immigration, think this over the next time you're at Seoul immigration or at customs behind some Russian guy with four or five leggy blondes coming in on "entertainment visas." Even though South Korea was taken off the U.S. list of major conduits for sex trafficking, this was done because of diplomatic pressure from South Korea. Hmm, do those girls all undergo health checks and fingerprinting? Yeah, they aren't teachers, but they sure aren't professional entertainers either.
On another note, in the Chung-an Daily there was a Korean columnist complaining about Japanese customs now requiring fingerprints and photos of all incoming foreigners. Oh what a wonderful friendly world we live in since globalization! |
The entertainment visa has had a stipulation in it for mandatory HIV checks for years. There's a reason for that.
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