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The 9/11 Commission Doesn't Believe It: Why Do You?
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loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: The 9/11 Commission Doesn't Believe It: Why Do You?

so why do you?

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/12/they-dont-believe-it-why-do-you.html

here's just a few examples from the article.

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The co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

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Chairman Thomas Kean says �I�m upset that [the government] didn�t tell us the truth.�

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Hamilton also says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.

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Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".

for those of you that believe the official version, please take the time to read this article and do some online research beyond loose change and screw loose change.

The alternative to not fully understanding the truth is having this happen again, and again, and again.

atomic42

Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject:

Me?

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject:

atomic42 wrote:

Me?

not you

atomic42

Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject:

Oh them. Cuz they believe everything the funny lookin' fella on the TV says, and sadly always will. Books and logic are scary things, especially when combined. They also like the emotions tied into the event. Sick effers.

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject:

Breaking Down the Barriers to 9/11 Truth.

http://911blogger.com/node/12928

Barrier 1-The Information Bubble.

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....
"There is no such thing as an independent press. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, and to sell the country for his daily bread. We are the tools of the rich men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
John Swinton
Former Editor, New York Times......

Barrier 2- Psychological Pre-Programming

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....When incarcerated in the information bubble, ones mind becomes programmed or brainwashed with certain �myths� or �fixed truths�.....

Barrier 3 � Psychological Conflict �(Error, Can�t Compute.)

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.....Having been programmed with the �Fixed Truths�, when faced with a conflicting concept that challenges them so completely, so fundamentally, the human brain goes into an override mode which essentially throws the information back and refuses to accept it, �Cognitive Dissonance�......

Barrier 4- (Emotion) Anger and Ridicule. (Hey I�m as smart as you are!)

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....Everyone likes to feel that they are well informed, being presented with a suggestion that ones views could be wrong and ill-informed about an issue as important as this is very often interpreted as a form of intellectual challenge or threat that must be ridiculed or resisted and fought to avoid embarrassment.....

Barrier 5-(Emotion) Shock and Confusion.

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....The fall and sudden jolt of hitting the ground as the bubble one is suspended in bursts, is symbolic of the shock to the system many people feel when initially attempting to process information of a completely radical nature such as this. I remember when I first learned the truth, I went through a very confusing period in my life as my brain was trying to make sense of all this. I can say now that having gone through this process it has changed completely the way I view the world, and changed me forever as a person.......

Barrier 6- Time for �Brain Digestion�.

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....I have lost count of the times I have presented my views to others and had them rejected, only to run into the same individuals after a period of time and have them say, �You know I looked into all that stuff you were saying and I think you might have something.�......

Barrier 7. Saturation Programming, Apathy and/or Lack of Intellect.

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....Some people have barriers of extraordinary strength, almost impenetrable. The brains of these individuals have been programmed to saturation levels with the managed material in the information bubble. Others may lack the required open mindedness, vision or intellect to grasp a revolutionary concept such as this and process information of this type.....

Barrier 8-Willful Ignorance (OK, so what�s this got to do with me?)

Quote:

....�Some people are afraid of what they might find if they try to analyze themselves too much, but you have to crawl into your wounds to discover where your fears are. Once the bleeding starts, the cleansing can begin.�
Tori Amos.......

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject:

atomic42 wrote:

Oh them. Cuz they believe everything the funny lookin' fella on the TV says, and sadly always will.
Books and logic are scary things, especially when combined. They also like the emotions tied into the event. Sick effers.

There is no such thing as an independent press. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, and to sell the country for his daily bread. We are the tools of the rich men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
John Swinton
Former Editor, New York Times

JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject:

I think you know why I do. I assume that just like the JFK assassination the majority of the people will come to believe in a conspiracy here also. A similar lack of evidence and time period doesn't seem to hurt that conspiracy so this will be similar. People like to believe in conspiracies that are extremely improbable and lack hard evidence.

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject:

JMO wrote:

I think you know why I do.

I assume that just like the JFK assassination the majority of the people will come to believe in a conspiracy here also. A similar lack of evidence and time period doesn't seem to hurt that conspiracy so this will be similar. People like to believe in conspiracies that are extremely improbable and lack hard evidence.

lets ignore 3 physical laws broken that day under the official story and direct evidence of CD.

DID YOU MISS THIS?

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Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: [b]"It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".[/b]

JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject:

loose_ends wrote:

JMO wrote:

lets ignore 3 physical laws broken that day under the official story and direct evidence of CD.

DID YOU MISS THIS?

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: [b]"It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".[/b]

No I didn't. You are still expecting me to believe that thousands of people are involved in this conspiracy and nobody has talked. That is highly improbable.

I'm not going to quibble with the story of events as it is quite clear that the majority of scientific literature on this event comes out in favor of the official story in its main points. I tend to agree with a scientific consensus although I'm open to other ideas of course. I'm not however going to pretend to be able to intrepret evidence to any kind of expert level. Now obviously all these scientists could be in on the conspiracy but that just adds to the improbability. They also could just be honestly wrong and as always science corrects itself in these cases. If this is the case and over time the consensus changes, my opinion will probably change with it.

That quote above could be interpreted in a couple of different of ways. You can't build a case out of suggestive qoutes and smacks of the creationist quote mining habit.

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:54 am Post subject:

JMO wrote:

loose_ends wrote:

JMO wrote:

Why would thousands of people be in on it? In fact some have estimated that it could have taken only 7 people (truly knowing the conspiracy) to accomplish it. Agencies tend to departmentalize things. So many people can be doing things but not know why and be unable to connect the dots due to security restrictions.

And, there are whistleblowers. Quite a few actually.

Also, the science that has been done, has only been done by a handful of key individuals. They don't have to be in on it. You aren't, and you don't believe it, so why do they have to?

If you need sources for anyting I wrote above let me know and i will link you.

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:13 am Post subject:

and.....

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That quote above could be interpreted in a couple of different of ways. You can't build a case out of suggestive qoutes and smacks of the creationist quote mining habit.

you can follow the link i provided to the original articles.

perhaps if you did, you would see the quotes are not taken out of context.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/11/21/cleland/index.html?pn=1

so what does it smack of again?

JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:58 am Post subject:

loose_ends wrote:

whistleblowers with evidence? How can there be whistleblowers with only 7 people in the know? Also could you outline your version of the conspiracy and show how only 7 people could know what is going on. Thanks.

I didn't say the scientists had to be in on it. I'm saying I follow the scientific consensus. It agrees with the official story.

JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:50 am Post subject:

I just read that article. He doesn't mention any suspicion that the govt was involved in a 911 conspiracy. He is exasperated by their lack of transparency and seems to believe that the govt used the opportunity to concoct a reason to invade Iraq and are now hiding it.

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It was all about using 9/11 as an excuse to go into Baghdad, not as a reason.

I personally would agree with that as this govt is inept and cynical enough to firstly fall asleep at the wheel, then use that as an excuse to attack Iraq.

But anyway, i would be interested in hearing an overview of your personal idea of what happened and how many people were involved.

loose_ends

Joined: 23 Jul 2007

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:14 am Post subject:

JMO wrote:

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It was all about using 9/11 as an excuse to go into Baghdad, not as a reason.

Thanks for reading the article. The point of OP was to show that certain commissioners were frustrated with government cover-up and don't believe that the report is very accurate.

So if the report isn't accurate, there must be more to the story.

A lot of people, including yourself, believe the government was simply sleeping at the wheel. Thus any cover-up would be to hide stupidity.

Others believe government (elements of, or certain individuals) involvment is much more sinister. Despite any direct evidence linking a group of people or person to the crime, there is much evidence that a crime, beyond the official story, did indeed take place (controlled demolition).

Regardless of what side of the spectrum one falls, I think it is painfully obvious that a new investigation is needed. Global politics continue to be influenced by this event. The world needs to know more accurately what happened.

I will outline my own personal theory tomorrow.

Sincinnatislink

Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Location: Top secret.

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:36 am Post subject:

Are you a fan of dianetics? Just curious.

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