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How can 3rd country teachers come to Korea, now?

 
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davetw



Joined: 14 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: How can 3rd country teachers come to Korea, now? Reply with quote

I'm trying to come to Korea from Taiwan. I know about the new Xenophobic anti-foreign teacher laws requiring backgeround checks, interviews and every possible administrative hurtle. I've read a lot of the posts in here regarding this beat-to-death subject and I know these threads are getting old but my question regards how can prospective foreign teachers come to Korea from a 3rd country? Must I go back to the USA (home country) and start from scratch? How long is my working visa good for? Then each year (or whenever it expires) must I return to the USA and do it all again to renew? The new tough laws were made on the assumption that all teachers coming to Korea, are coming for the first time, from their home countries. I haven't read any posts (though I admit not having read them ALL) regarding 3rd country foreign teachers. Can we obtain these required checks and interviews in our existing country of residence, where some of us have resided and worked for years? The tough new laws (sanctions) seem to have been made in haste and not covering every situation. If, in fact, ALL foreign teachers must go back to the home country and start from scratch and then keep doing it to renew each time, then Korea will witness a mass exodus of Korean teachers to Taiwan, where the pay is near-equal and the entry and residence laws very easy and where you can teach private lessons without fear. I'm in Taiwan and want to come to Korea, but I haven't been able to get hard information on the new laws as they apply to 3rd country prospective teachers. If anyone out there has a government website or some other good source of factual knowledge of what it takes to get to Korea from a 3rd country, I'll be very grateful. I know this subject has been beat to death, but not the 3rd country issue.
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TexasPete



Joined: 24 May 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: How can 3rd country teachers come to Korea, now? Reply with quote

davetw wrote:
I'm trying to come to Korea from Taiwan. I know about the new Xenophobic anti-foreign teacher laws requiring backgeround checks, interviews and every possible administrative hurtle. I've read a lot of the posts in here regarding this beat-to-death subject and I know these threads are getting old but my question regards how can prospective foreign teachers come to Korea from a 3rd country? Must I go back to the USA (home country) and start from scratch? How long is my working visa good for? Then each year (or whenever it expires) must I return to the USA and do it all again to renew? The new tough laws were made on the assumption that all teachers coming to Korea, are coming for the first time, from their home countries. I haven't read any posts (though I admit not having read them ALL) regarding 3rd country foreign teachers. Can we obtain these required checks and interviews in our existing country of residence, where some of us have resided and worked for years? The tough new laws (sanctions) seem to have been made in haste and not covering every situation. If, in fact, ALL foreign teachers must go back to the home country and start from scratch and then keep doing it to renew each time, then Korea will witness a mass exodus of Korean teachers to Taiwan, where the pay is near-equal and the entry and residence laws very easy and where you can teach private lessons without fear. I'm in Taiwan and want to come to Korea, but I haven't been able to get hard information on the new laws as they apply to 3rd country prospective teachers. If anyone out there has a government website or some other good source of factual knowledge of what it takes to get to Korea from a 3rd country, I'll be very grateful. I know this subject has been beat to death, but not the 3rd country issue.

IF you know about the xenophobic laws in Korea regarding the new E2 visa situation, why would you still want to come here? And regarding what to do coming from a third country? Most of us still don't know what to do full stop. Most people seem to suggest that you wait and see and that's what i'm doing.
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gangpae



Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Xenophobic? Reply with quote

Just curious, how are these new regulations (Criminal Background Check, Medical, and Interview) for people who will be working with children xenophobic. Contrast that with current U.S. visa regulations for Koreans requiring an interview at the American Embassy in Seoul.
Please help me to understand.
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demaratus



Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Location: Searching for a heart of gold, and I'm gettin' old

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Xenophobic? Reply with quote

gangpae wrote:
Just curious, how are these new regulations (Criminal Background Check, Medical, and Interview) for people who will be working with children xenophobic. Contrast that with current U.S. visa regulations for Koreans requiring an interview at the American Embassy in Seoul.
Please help me to understand.


Are medical checks, drug tests and criminal bachground checks required for Koreans working with children? Just to play devil's advocate. I doubt they are.

I agree that countries have the right to make certain regulations for working, and there are countries with stricter guidlines than these. The interview is a pain in the ass though, The nearest consulate to me is a 2 hour flight which is simply another added expense for me to come there. You would think the other regulations would suffice.

yo the OP, coming from Taiwan you should know that the Medical test is basic, drug test schmug test (if you're a druggie you have no business teaching), the Cbc is no bigee if you had a criminal record from Canada you could'nt get a U.S woreking visa and vice versa so why is it a problem for Korea to do it? The interview is the pain in the ass, since you probably have declared non residency in your home country it might even be a bigger pain in the ass. Check with the Taiwan-Korea trade office, they will know or should be able to find out.
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Netz



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Xenophobic? Reply with quote

demaratus wrote:
gangpae wrote:
Just curious, how are these new regulations (Criminal Background Check, Medical, and Interview) for people who will be working with children xenophobic. Contrast that with current U.S. visa regulations for Koreans requiring an interview at the American Embassy in Seoul.
Please help me to understand.


Are medical checks, drug tests and criminal bachground checks required for Koreans working with children? Just to play devil's advocate. I doubt they are.



Actually, I think that medical/criminal checks are commonplace in the West now, and that goes for just about anyone who has a job, citizen or not.

The funny thing is, I wonder how Korean workers would feel if the government (or the medical/insurance industries), started requiring citizens to submit to the same provisions as foriegn workers...........

And that's the real rub, that Koreans want to make the rules for foriegners, but not play by the same rules themselves.

Typical.
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gangpae



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Medical Checks Reply with quote

My understanding, from the public school threads on this board, is that Koreans who want to teach in public schools have to do a medical, drug test, and CBC. I might be wrong, but I think they might be more stringent than what we are being asked to do. Background checks and drug testing for Korean employees at private institutes; not an outrageous idea but probably a waste of money. I just don't see a big drug culture in Korea, so testing thousands of people just to find out that 0.01% of drug users seems like a waste of time. For that matter I don't see a big drug culture among the foreigners teaching English in Korea, so I'm guessing it's more of message for would-be teachers - If you do drugs don't come to Korea.

Any Korean who wants to travel to the U.S. must have an interview at the U.S. Embassy in Seoul as part of the visa process. It matters not if they live in Pusan, Mokpo or Jeju. Time consuming and a big waste of time, and remember these are mostly tourists, students, or relatives of people in America.
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PGF



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject: Re: Xenophobic? Reply with quote

gangpae wrote:
Just curious, how are these new regulations (Criminal Background Check, Medical, and Interview) for people who will be working with children xenophobic. Contrast that with current U.S. visa regulations for Koreans requiring an interview at the American Embassy in Seoul.
Please help me to understand.


good point.

The US embassy website states that when a korean is applying for a tourist visa, the interviewer will assume that the tourist is trying to enter the country with the intention of staying permanently....

They are a bunch of as*sholes there too. I know this first hand.....especially that ugly fat bast8ard in window 2 who denied my fiance a tourist visa because my contract was about up in korea......

anyway......
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demaratus



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Xenophobic? Reply with quote

Netz wrote:
demaratus wrote:
gangpae wrote:
Just curious, how are these new regulations (Criminal Background Check, Medical, and Interview) for people who will be working with children xenophobic. Contrast that with current U.S. visa regulations for Koreans requiring an interview at the American Embassy in Seoul.
Please help me to understand.


Are medical checks, drug tests and criminal bachground checks required for Koreans working with children? Just to play devil's advocate. I doubt they are.



Actually, I think that medical/criminal checks are commonplace in the West now, and that goes for just about anyone who has a job, citizen or not.

The funny thing is, I wonder how Korean workers would feel if the government (or the medical/insurance industries), started requiring citizens to submit to the same provisions as foriegn workers...........

And that's the real rub, that Koreans want to make the rules for foriegners, but not play by the same rules themselves.

Typical.


Thats what I was saying. You should have read down more in my post. The medical to get into Canada has had an HIV test, TB test and more for over ten years. there is no drug testing of foreign workers though (this one seems a little Xenophobic, maybe), only if private companies (it is standard if you wanna work in the oil patch now) demand it for themselves. Hell Taiwan which is a less developed nation compared to Korea by many accounts has required the HIV/STD tests and even a stool samplpe for many years now. I also know that the Taiwanese trade offices run your name through interpol and that the visa office most likely does the same with the phots you provide them, but they don't require a full background check. Hess, a major school in Taiwan does background checks too, as part of their recruiting.


The devil's advocate was are they doing these things to their own people? We have all heard the Foreigners have aids, all foreigners and all are drug addicts rhetoric. the Chris Neil situation will probably have them believing we are all pedophiles. Considering the rhetoric of the pas and present by Koreans it could seem that some of these rules are xenophobic. I don't personally think they are racially motivated
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Medical Checks Reply with quote

gangpae wrote:
Any Korean who wants to travel to the U.S. must have an interview at the U.S. Embassy in Seoul as part of the visa process. It matters not if they live in Pusan, Mokpo or Jeju. Time consuming and a big waste of time, and remember these are mostly tourists, students, or relatives of people in America.


Those visas are good for ten years though, aren't they?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To answer the OP's question -

If you have not had a teaching visa in the past, you must return to your home country to apply.

If you have had a visa, you may apply from an embassy/consulate in a '3rd' country.
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