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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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Huckabee said:
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| "I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ." |
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/10/huckabee-christ-warrior/
And he is now beating Clinton in a head to head. And yata thinks an American reformation is around the corner. Nice-uh.
The United States will only become like Canada, which is what the American Dem's want (gun control, socialized medicine, more welfare, more liberal and tolerant, less warwarwarwar), when it sheds christianity to the extent that has Canada. |
I won't say America needs to be less Christian just less Neocon. I am Christian and believe that Jesus would believe in all things you mentioned the democrats want. Edit. I am a Catholic Christian does that make a difference? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: |
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I get no benefit from any government program or regulation.
I can�t believe someone wrote this. |
You should check out some of the other howlers this poster has made. He's kind of the Horshack of the CE forum. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Only government bureaucrats and special interest groups get any benefit from government programs.
Believing that you get benefit from these programs is like believing that wearing garlic keeps the polar bears out of Miami.
The fact is that food is more expensive and LESS safe due to government regulation. This is a proven fact, but don't tell the socialist supporters of big government. They never study economics or look at reality. They just believe.
All of our current social problems come from the government. This has also been proven by modern economics.
Socialism was proven in theory to always fail. Then, in reality, we have seen the same thing.
There is NO government program in existance today that you can claim as a success that has not been already proven to be a failure.
Social Security alone has destroyed a minimum of 200,000,000 jobs around the world. It has caused poverty, contributed to world overpopulation by delaying development of poor countries thereby increasing tensions, pollution and war. And this is the socialists' greatest "success" story.
The other programs are equally dismal in their outcomes.
I've written about the disasterous effects of the socialistic transportation and energy policies of the US. and the federal reserve as well. Throw in the effects of taxation and the overregulation and socialization of health care, the war on drugs ... yes the government has done nothing but hurt the American people for nearly a century now.
There is no difference between the usual D and R candidates or office holders - they have nearly all been socialists of one stripe or another for 70 years.
It has been estimated that the standard of living of the average American has been reduced by 95% from what it would have been if the US had had a free market and free trade instead of socialism since the imposition of the income tax and the federal reserve. Yes, that's right, our standard of living could be 20 times what it is today, and without programs such as social security, the rest of the world could have largely caught up and equalized as well.
So, go ahead and believe in the ignorant, blathering drivel that you socialsts post here ... yatayatayata ... It has all already been proven false, and if you would go study for a few years you could actually learn the truth. You need to have some input data before you press your print button. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: |
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 When you chuck down a whole glass of cyanide, does it really matter what color the KoolAid is? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| When you chuck down a whole glass of cyanide, does it really matter what color the KoolAid is? |
Sorry, you took it so hard Yata. Don't do yourself in. Just go back to school. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
I can�t believe someone wrote this. Have you ever eaten meat in America, ate at a restaurant or flown in a plane. I am glad that we regulate those things. Thank you FDA and FCC!
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Actually the FCC has increased regulation thereby increasing barriers to entry. There is, in fact, a government sponsored oligopoly right now in the pharma business. The smaller the oligopoly, the easier it is to collude. The more collusion, the more of defacto monopoly there is.
Lessening regulation will lesson barriers to entry. Lower barriers to entry will cause more competition. Perfect competition in the market will be much more preferred than a government sponsored oligopoly regime. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| Only government bureaucrats and special interest groups get any benefit from government programs. |
I agree. If you like lawyers, you'll like big gov't. If you're a lawyer, you'll love big gov't. |
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No_hite_pls
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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I am not talking about Socialism. I believe that makes people lazy but
come on, safety standards are a bad thing? Wow! |
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Kuros
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I am not talking about Socialism. I believe that makes people lazy but
come on, safety standards are a bad thing? Wow! |
Why legislate it?
Its called negligence. You can sue for it in a court of law. Punitive and compensatory damages provide all the incentives you need. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| No_hite_pls wrote: |
I am not talking about Socialism. I believe that makes people lazy but
come on, safety standards are a bad thing? Wow! |
Why legislate it?
Its called negligence. You can sue for it in a court of law. Punitive and compensatory damages provide all the incentives you need. |
You have a point, but I would rather have system like we do now with
health inpectors at restaurants, building codes, and meat inpectors. Rather than a sue sue sue society. Plus, I feel safer with inpectors and
accounting regulations (as an investor, I don't want any of my stocks pulling an Enron).
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
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I am not talking about Socialism. I believe that makes people lazy but
come on, safety standards are a bad thing? Wow! |
Why legislate it?
Its called negligence. You can sue for it in a court of law. Punitive and compensatory damages provide all the incentives you need. |
Because I don't like anarchy. I like health inpectors at restaurants, I like building codes, and I like safe meat. |
I didn't know health inspectors were critical to staving off anarchy. I thought anarchy was defeated by respect for the rule of law enforced by a local police and local courts. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| No_hite_pls wrote: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
I am not talking about Socialism. I believe that makes people lazy but
come on, safety standards are a bad thing? Wow! |
Why legislate it?
Its called negligence. You can sue for it in a court of law. Punitive and compensatory damages provide all the incentives you need. |
Because I don't like anarchy. I like health inpectors at restaurants, I like building codes, and I like safe meat. |
I didn't know health inspectors were critical to staving off anarchy. I thought anarchy was defeated by respect for the rule of law enforced by a local police and local courts. |
You have a point, but I would rather have system like we do now with
health inpectors at restaurants, building codes, and meat inpectors. Rather than a sue sue sue society. Plus, I feel safer with inpectors and
accounting regulations (as an investor, I don't want any of my stocks pulling an Enron). |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| No_hite_pls wrote: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
I am not talking about Socialism. I believe that makes people lazy but
come on, safety standards are a bad thing? Wow! |
Why legislate it?
Its called negligence. You can sue for it in a court of law. Punitive and compensatory damages provide all the incentives you need. |
Because I don't like anarchy. I like health inpectors at restaurants, I like building codes, and I like safe meat. |
I didn't know health inspectors were critical to staving off anarchy. I thought anarchy was defeated by respect for the rule of law enforced by a local police and local courts. |
You have a point, but I would rather have system like we do now with
health inpectors at restaurants, building codes, and meat inpectors. Rather than a sue sue sue society. Plus, I feel safer with inpectors and
accounting regulations (as an investor, I don't want any of my stocks pulling an Enron). |
The regulators don't actually inspect your meat or restaurants. Inspections occur infrequently at best, sometimes never. They make unreasonable rules that are ignored and used to punish enemies of the government selectively, or as a source of bribery for the enforcing officials.
Meat, restaurants, and whatever you're concerned about is all safer when it is regulated by the natural free market system: vigilant customers, wary insurance companies, savvy investors, greedy civil tort lawyers and vengeful victims combine to make the market provide safe products. These are the market forces that bring about product safety and improvements.
Government regulations make the natural market regulaters less efficient or obviate their effective operation and thereby reduce product quality, safety and slow improvements.
A detailed analysis of federal automobile regulations proved that regulators had caused the introduction of airbags to be delayed by more than a decade.
Enron is another example of the failure of government regulation. It was in fact the climate of total government regulation that allowed the top level criminal employees of Enron to hide their looting of the company and disguise it as being required and legal due to the pervasive regulatory insanity that baffles accountants and the regulators themselves with its complexity.
IRS rules are so arcane and complex that often in a room full of CPAs and top IRS agents, only one high level tax attorney will actually understand the tax provisions being discussed. The others on all sides involved eventually just accept the opinion of the lone expert and all follow his interpretation of the law.
First rule of good lawmaking: (and this should be in the Constitution):
The complete listing of all laws and regulations of the Federal Government should be no greater in size than that of a normal high school textbook and should be no more complex than the ability of the average high school student to study and learn the entire compendium in a single one year course in 10th grade. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't know health inspectors were critical to staving off anarchy. I thought anarchy was defeated by respect for the rule of law enforced by a local police and local courts. |
I think of food inspectors as a kind of health police and, in my opinion, play an important part in staving off 'anarchy'. I don't want to imagine what it was like a hundred years ago. One reading of The Jungle was enough to convince me. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| I didn't know health inspectors were critical to staving off anarchy. I thought anarchy was defeated by respect for the rule of law enforced by a local police and local courts. |
I think of food inspectors as a kind of health police and, in my opinion, play an important part in staving off 'anarchy'. I don't want to imagine what it was like a hundred years ago. One reading of The Jungle was enough to convince me. |
I'm not challenging food inspectors: but I am setting a high standard for what regulations need to accomplish. Regulations should not be a reaction to a bad event. Whether it be security regulations after 9-11 or financial regulations after Enron, we must ask, are the regulations really cost-effective? |
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