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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: Refused service - again |
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not a week goes by that i do not refused service in one establishment or another. two weeks ago it was a hospital but usually it is the restaurants that give me the big "X" arms and shoo me away.
never happened once in china. never happened once in taiwan. has happened twice this week alone in korea. |
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n3ptne
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Location: Poh*A*ng City
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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well.. clearly you are a douchesnozzle.
i'd advise brushing up on your korean, or shaving. because you are either mute, or a hairy beast. either way, you scare people man. |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Refused service - again |
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not a week goes by that i do not refused service in one establishment or another. two weeks ago it was a hospital but usually it is the restaurants that give me the big "X" arms and shoo me away.
never happened once in china. never happened once in taiwan. has happened twice this week alone in korea. |
I've NEVER heard of this happening in a restaurant. Not even second hand reports. Do you wear a shirt saying "독도는일본의땅!" or something? I HAVE been rejected from Korean only 'clubs and bars. But a restaurant? That sounds bizarre. Want to name some locations or something? I guess my closest restaurant experience would be a tout grabbing me by the arm and trying to drag me into a restaurant rather than trying to keep me out. |
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Billy Pilgrim
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Refused service - again |
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not a week goes by that i do not refused service in one establishment or another. two weeks ago it was a hospital but usually it is the restaurants that give me the big "X" arms and shoo me away.
never happened once in china. never happened once in taiwan. has happened twice this week alone in korea. |
I've NEVER heard of this happening in a restaurant. Not even second hand reports. Do you wear a shirt saying "독도는일본의땅!" or something? I HAVE been rejected from Korean only 'clubs and bars. But a restaurant? That sounds bizarre. Want to name some locations or something? I guess my closest restaurant experience would be a tout grabbing me by the arm and trying to drag me into a restaurant rather than trying to keep me out. |
Ditto. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| I got turned away from a restaurant in Jinju because I was alone. There was a table but it had two places. No room for little old me. After reading a bit about this, it's a bit of a non-starter in Korea. Eating alone.... |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| yeah, it stumped me first as well because in my other ESL stops i had never encountered such. oh well. shake their dust from the shoes... |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Refused service - again |
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| mistermasan wrote: |
not a week goes by that i do not refused service in one establishment or another. two weeks ago it was a hospital but usually it is the restaurants that give me the big "X" arms and shoo me away.
never happened once in china. never happened once in taiwan. has happened twice this week alone in korea. |
Hi - I hang where wayguks aren't supposed to hang namely at the craft places in Eujiro 3 ga and my visits there are often brief and unpleasant. I manage to pick out a few merchants and go there repeatedly just because they are friendly even while they might not stock what I need. I often get service after waiting in line, I have to go during off hours and I try to wear a suit even when I buy things like varnish. |
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Hyeon Een
Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| I got turned away from a restaurant in Jinju because I was alone. There was a table but it had two places. No room for little old me. After reading a bit about this, it's a bit of a non-starter in Korea. Eating alone.... |
Oh that'd make sense. A lot of restaurants are 2 people minimum. Not because you're foreign, but because you're alone. I guess you could get around this by telling them that you want to order 2 portions (it'll help if you're big and/or fat). Then they might let you in. I knew a guy who used to eat samgyupsal alone, but he always ordered 3 portions at once and weighed 250pounds or more. If I tried it I think I'd get laughed out though I'm too thin to try and pull that trick off. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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masan has three districts that are wonderful: the train station (hop some dong), the university and chang dong. in those districts all is fine and dandy. sadly, my home is equidistant between chongdong and hopsomedong. the only street of eateries is adjacent to the shinsegae department store. it is this area (the neighborhood of my home) that refuses service.
yes, i have been alone every time this has happened. my guess is that they don't want to chase away any of the many noribang staggerers about. (similar to how the glass box girls won't look at whitey if korean guys are around- having me about chases of business.) the place is just noribangs and eateries. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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You're in the countryside. It happens less often in Seoul area. Just a few odd places, and of course nightclubs and saunas.
I am very happy not to spend my money in this country, and send it out. I am sure Korea's economy will greatly improve due to them being so rich and being able to afford to refuse people's money.
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masan has three districts that are wonderful: the train station (hop some dong), the university and chang dong. in those districts all is fine and dandy. sadly, my home is equidistant between chongdong and hopsomedong. the only street of eateries is adjacent to the shinsegae department store. it is this area (the neighborhood of my home) that refuses service.
yes, i have been alone every time this has happened. my guess is that they don't want to chase away any of the many noribang staggerers about. (similar to how the glass box girls won't look at whitey if korean guys are around- having me about chases of business.) the place is just noribangs and eateries. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
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| I got turned away from a restaurant in Jinju because I was alone. There was a table but it had two places. No room for little old me. After reading a bit about this, it's a bit of a non-starter in Korea. Eating alone.... |
Oh that'd make sense. A lot of restaurants are 2 people minimum. Not because you're foreign, but because you're alone. I guess you could get around this by telling them that you want to order 2 portions (it'll help if you're big and/or fat). Then they might let you in. I knew a guy who used to eat samgyupsal alone, but he always ordered 3 portions at once and weighed 250pounds or more. If I tried it I think I'd get laughed out though I'm too thin to try and pull that trick off. |
Two portions of bibimbap would have killed me. It was only in Jinju for one day for the Lantern Festival. Shrugged it off and went to somewhere else. No problem. I don't generally think that I'm being turned away because I'm a foreigner. Could happen anywhere really. How often would you get "you're not wearing the right shoes, sorry!" at pointless rubbish clubs in your own country.
Korean culture likes to have company for eating, that's the bottom line. Makes sense really. |
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Homer
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Like Hyon this never happened to me in my time here...
You must be hitting some pretty bad joints or perhaps the one-person issue is part of the problem.
Either way...I hope your crusade for a restaurant seat ends in success. |
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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I've been waved away from places, asked (in fractured Korean) if they were closed, had them do a double-take and then have them wave me in....
I have been waved away rudely from places, too, but most of the time it has happened to me because the people were so terrified of not being able to understand me...and my broken Korean was enough to let them know I didn't bite (at least, not hard enough to break the skin).
Eating alone is a problem, though -- it is hard on me, because I love to eat out, but yeah, I pretty much have stopped trying to dine solo...I get served and all, just feel like I am more on display than usual.... |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: |
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It could have been your arm hair. A Korean I know said my brother's arm hair is nicer because it's blonde, or golden as he said, which is good luck.
Mine is dark and stands out more. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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I usually had no problems with Western style restaurants. Sometimes, the young immature girls would not want to come to table because I was a foreigner. They'd snicker and fight over who would come to my table. So I'd just get up and leave. That's very unprofessional behaviour and they are NOT getting my business if they want to be that way. Sometimes, I'd complain to the manager. It happened a few times in Korea. But hey, it's happened to me in various parts of Asia too. So it's not just Korea. I really don't like immature young Asian girls who don't know how to treat a foreign customer. It ticks me off!
That said, I've also had excellent service at most restaurants in Korea. I'll never forget the note I was left by my waitress at the Outback Steakhouse in Itaewon. I saved it and it reads:
"Did you have a good time with us? Thank you for visiting [heart]. I wish u the best of luck! [big smile] {name, Heart}"
Anyone else get a note like that from out of the blue by their waitress, ever? |
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