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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: Gangnam PS are all full |
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I was told all the public school positions in Gangnam are filled. I find it hard to believe that every single elementary, middle, and high school in the Gangnam area has a native teacher.
Anyone got any insider info on someone who is about to leave in a few months that needs to be replaced? |
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Hyeon Een
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| I looked into this a year or two ago. The Gangnam public school positions are better than other areas. The pay seems to be substantially higher and I think they get more than 14 days holiday too. A LOT of the teachers re-sign (much more so than in GEPIK/EPIK etc.) and I think a lot of the recruiting is simply done through word of mouth. From what I've heard it is a very good gig in terms of public schools and they don't have any problem filling positions. I don't remember the exact figure but I think 2.8m might have been the average salary.. it was something high anyway. |
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MiniMoonks
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| I would find it hard to believe that all public school positions in Gangnam are filled. I've been considering applying for a public school position in Gangnam. |
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Snowmeow
Joined: 03 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| Pkang0202 is right, everyone who was considering the job should accept other positions. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Oh man, Gangnam was my second choice. I'm getting worried. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Hyeon Een wrote: |
| I looked into this a year or two ago. The Gangnam public school positions are better than other areas. The pay seems to be substantially higher and I think they get more than 14 days holiday too. A LOT of the teachers re-sign (much more so than in GEPIK/EPIK etc.) and I think a lot of the recruiting is simply done through word of mouth. From what I've heard it is a very good gig in terms of public schools and they don't have any problem filling positions. I don't remember the exact figure but I think 2.8m might have been the average salary.. it was something high anyway. |
Are you saying that you are working in the public school system and you are getting 14 days vacation?
The schools are closed for vacations three months a year. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds like a false rumor spread by recruiters who are supposed to get teachers for other areas. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
| It sounds like a false rumor spread by recruiters who are supposed to get teachers for other areas. |
One day i'm just gonna go around to every single school and ask "Hi, do you have a native teacher? Do you want one?" |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| regicide wrote: |
| Hyeon Een wrote: |
| I looked into this a year or two ago. The Gangnam public school positions are better than other areas. The pay seems to be substantially higher and I think they get more than 14 days holiday too. A LOT of the teachers re-sign (much more so than in GEPIK/EPIK etc.) and I think a lot of the recruiting is simply done through word of mouth. From what I've heard it is a very good gig in terms of public schools and they don't have any problem filling positions. I don't remember the exact figure but I think 2.8m might have been the average salary.. it was something high anyway. |
Are you saying that you are working in the public school system and you are getting 14 days vacation?
The schools are closed for vacations three months a year. |
The public school contracts for foreigners stipulate a certain amount of vacation. SMOE gives 21 business days and opportunities for more. Other organizations give 14. During the times when school is not in session, foreign teachers are expected to report to school or elsewhere for English camps, for class planning or to just sit at their desk doing whatever. That part sucks, but its in the contract. A few schools secretly let their foreign teachers not come in when nothing is going on.
Anytime a foreign teacher hears shit from Korean teachers about not working hard or not working Saturdays, they should stress the fact they are under a different contract and that foreigners work during the Korean teachers' vacations. |
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SirFink
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| regicide wrote: |
Are you saying that you are working in the public school system and you are getting 14 days vacation?
The schools are closed for vacations three months a year. |
Are you the guy who called me stupid for complaining about teaching in public schools in August with no air-con? |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you the guy who called me stupid for complaining about teaching in public schools in August with no air-con? |
No, I am the guy who called the guy who went to Vietnam for a vacation and lived in a sweatbox at home, refusing to buy an airconditioner, stupid. Anyway, you should complain about these kinds of conditions; including impoper heating/air conditioning. But I wouldn't take the job in the first place with that rule of having to come in during breaks.
Anyway, why don't you apply for a program such as the Florida Alternative Certification Program and teach in the States? I don't know why anyone would want to work in a public school system here with these conditions.
Designed to develop quality teachers, this research-based Program offers professional education preparation to newly hired teachers with subject area expertise who qualify for an initial Florida Certificate.
http://www.altcertflorida.org/
I think this explains the situation well.
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
The public school contracts for foreigners stipulate a certain amount of vacation. SMOE gives 21 business days and opportunities for more. Other organizations give 14. During the times when school is not in session, foreign teachers are expected to report to school or elsewhere for English camps, for class planning or to just sit at their desk doing whatever. That part sucks, but its in the contract. A few schools secretly let their foreign teachers not come in when nothing is going on.
Anytime a foreign teacher hears shit from Korean teachers about not working hard or not working Saturdays, they should stress the fact they are under a different contract and that foreigners work during the Korean teachers' vacations. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Anyway, why don't you apply for a program such as the Florida Alternative Certification Program and teach in the States? I don't know why anyone would want to work in a public school system here with these conditions.
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You make it sound like all we gotta do is show up at their office and they say "Sure, when do you want to start?"
Personally, if I were back in the States I'd work a company job and get paid more than a public school teacher would. However, I'm in Korea and the only jobs available here for foreigners is English Teacher, Translator, or Text editor. |
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Gamecock
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyway, why don't you apply for a program such as the Florida Alternative Certification Program and teach in the States? I don't know why anyone would want to work in a public school system here with these conditions. |
You have no idea what you are talking about. I was a public school teacher in the States before coming to Korea (where I now work in a public school with these "conditions."
There is a reason why public schools all over America are begging and pleading for people without teaching certificates to become teachers. The jobs aren't good, my friend. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Nope. I guarantee you not all of the PS positions are filled. I know this because my friend currently works for a Gangnam elementary school. I heard it was pretty bad working for them so I'm not sure why you would want to work there anyhow. The ONLY desirable part about working for a Gangnam school is the location. Especially if you want a life in Seoul. Most teachers don't. They think they do but they don't. For most teachers it's a matter of taking the best of the worst and Seoul is a city that "feels" more like a city from home so that's why they find it easier to live and integrate there. But it will NEVER be as good as back home, even for those teachers that desperately try and make it so.
I heard that starting salaries for qualified teachers are a little higher, for EPIK and SMOE it's around 2.3 and for Gangnam it's 2.5. Not sure about GEPIK anymore. The difference isn't much because you have to remember that Gangnam is MORE expensive so you pay more for day to day things. Your rent is higher, your utility bill is higher, restaurants are more expensive, even buying simple things like pizza will cost you more too.
My friend gets 4 official weeks of vacation. With GEPIK (my former job) I had 2 weeks officially but I actually had more than 5 weeks where I didn't have to come in to school. That's why there is so much confusion and questions on this board. It's because every single school is different and the circumstances are all different for each - REGARDLESS of the contract or what any recruiter says.
There are MUCH better jobs than Gangnam. You just have to find them. BoL.
Sody |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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I would hate to live in Gangnam. It has none of the appeal that Northern Seoul has, like the palaces, the mountains, the old city buildings.
The prices and arrogance of the people are higher in Gangnam, too.
Sody, when you say Gangnam PS teachers get 4 weeks of vacation, is that 20 business days? SMOE offers 21.
Also, SMOE's payscale:
Level H: 1.8 million won per month
* A Bachelor�s degree from an accredited university in one of major English-speaking countries with the instructions taught in English.
Level G: 2.0 million won per month
Must have one of the following qualifications:
* A valid teacher certification for either elementary or secondary level schools.
* A Bachelor�s degree in Education.
* A Bachelor�s degree in English, English Education, English Literature, or Linguistics.
* A TESOL/TEFL or an English Teaching Certificate comprised of a minimum of 100 course hours.
* A Master's degree.
* A Bachelor's degree with at least ONE (1) full year of English teaching experience at accredited institutions.
Level F: 2.2 million won per month
Must have one of the following qualifications:
* In addition to one of the requirements for Level G, ONE (1) full year of English teaching experience at accredited institutions including at the SMOE.
* A teacher certification with specialization in English Education.
* A Master�s degree in Education.
Level E: 2.3 million won per month
Must have one of the following qualifications:
* Meet the Level G qualification with at least TWO (2) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions.
* Employed as Level F at the SMOE for ONE (1) full year.
* A Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or in English Education.
Level D: 2.4 million won per month
Employed as Level E at the SMOE for ONE (1) full year.
* At least ONE (1) full year of English teaching experience at accredited institutions with Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or in English education.
* A Bachelor�s degree in English education with at least THREE (3) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions.
* A teacher certification with specialization in English education with at least TWO (2) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions.
Level C: 2.5 million won per month
* At least TWO (2) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions with Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or in English education.
* A teacher certification with specialization in English education with at least THREE (3) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions.
* Employed as Level D at the SMOE for TWO (2) full years.
Level B: 2.6 million won per month
* At least THREE (3) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions with Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or in English education.
* At least THREE (3) full years of English teaching experience as a present public or private school teacher with a recommendation by the superintendent or the school principal.
* Employed as Level D at the SMOE for THREE (3) full years.
Level A: 2.7 million won per month
* At least FOUR (4) full years of English teaching experience at accredited institutions with Master's degree in TESOL/TEFL or in English education.
* At least FOUR (4) full years of English teaching experience as a present public or private school teacher with a recommendation by the superintendent or the school principal. |
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